Power Cat Compared to Evasion Cat - Page 4

Siraulo · 14 Aug 2006

2nd. job Skills?

Look closely:

High Kick - Powered kick to an enemy (active)

Triple Gelda Toss - Toss 150 Gelda into three different directions (active) Prerequisite: Galder Thrower Lvl 10

Fan Club - Increases defense for all party members (passive) Prerequisite: Shield All Lvl 10

Concert Tour - Attacks 4 enemies at once by singing (active)

Make Up - Transform into a berserk beast increasing attack speed & damage for a period of time (active)

Wild Rush - While in Make Up form, deals an incredible single blow (active) Prerequisite: Make Up Lvl 10

Wild Knuckle - While in Make Up form, increases attack damage for a period of time (supportive) Prerequisite: Make Up Lvl 10

edit > I think they made skills for evasion, power and defense. Since you can get skills if you're AP-based, HV-based or DP-based. :P

Shadow_knight · 15 Aug 2006

What level is concert tour? it looks cool

Moggie · 15 Aug 2006

Hey guys ...

I've rolled a Racoon and i'm using the 3124 build and i've been putting my points all into attack and i'm dealing decent damage ... should i continue to raise attack? cause i was looking at another post and it says if you raise evasion you will evade like 90%? O.o

Could i get a little clarification ... should i continue to raise ap? currently at 238 or should i start raising HV for dodge ...?

Shadow_knight · 16 Aug 2006

you should check the raccon 2nd job skill list, it might help

PhoenixKatera · 18 Aug 2006

Heya I'm a low level Cat on English Ruby Island realm.
I'm interested in the AP / Make-Up cat build because it just seems plain ol' funner.
But can anyone tell me what I should get for skills from the beginning and what should be mastered ect? I'm a newbie and it looks like the skill names are different in some versions of Trickster.
HK/HV build seems like it could be really promising, but it just doesn't seem as fun or flashy as the other and that's what I want.

Shadow_knight · 18 Aug 2006

Ruby Island is the same server as Pearl Island, they are only different channel. It uses the same character...

On another forum, we made a damage calculator of 2nd skills and this is what we got...

Defense cats> AP cats>>>>> HV cats.

Concert Tour is GODLY. With sturdy shield, shield all, fanclub maxed out + all bonus in DP at level 100, you do 7500dmg to 4 ennemies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! while those little HV cats do about 3.5k with high kick and make up can do up to 7500 at level 100 (but it's TM 110-130 so it's only for comparaison purpose)

For an AP cat , you can go full attack or mid-attack, mid defense
Learn the skills in this order->

Full Attack-> Power blow, dodge master, titanium wrist, sturdy shield, 2nd job-> make up, wild rush, wild knucle.
Wild Knucle is TM level 130 so the TM points earned from level 51 to 80 can be put WHEREEVER YOUR WANT...

Mid-defense, mid-ap (do not take this one if you don't plan going to high level (150+))
Gelder Trow
Dodge master
Mana reflector(level 10)
Shield All
Sturdy Shield
Fan Club
Concert Tour
Make up*
Wild Rush
Wild knucle

* I'd say the make up should be use with every cat because there is not a lot of skills in 2nd job and High kick would end up doing less than gelder trow...

term · 20 Aug 2006

What build for pure DP cat, can u explain something more about this build, i'm really interesting

fireyhope · 20 Aug 2006

Originally Posted by Shadow_knight

Ruby Island is the same server as Pearl Island, they are only different channel. It uses the same character...

On another forum, we made a damage calculator of 2nd skills and this is what we got...

Defense cats> AP cats>>>>> HV cats.

Concert Tour is GODLY. With sturdy shield, shield all, fanclub maxed out + all bonus in DP at level 100, you do 7500dmg to 4 ennemies!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! while those little HV cats do about 3.5k with high kick and make up can do up to 7500 at level 100 (but it's TM 110-130 so it's only for comparaison purpose)

For an AP cat , you can go full attack or mid-attack, mid defense
Learn the skills in this order->

Full Attack-> Power blow, dodge master, titanium wrist, sturdy shield, 2nd job-> make up, wild rush, wild knucle.
Wild Knucle is TM level 130 so the TM points earned from level 51 to 80 can be put WHEREEVER YOUR WANT...

Mid-defense, mid-ap (do not take this one if you don't plan going to high level (150+))
Gelder Trow
Dodge master
Mana reflector(level 10)
Shield All
Sturdy Shield
Fan Club
Concert Tour
Make up*
Wild Rush
Wild knucle

* I'd say the make up should be use with every cat because there is not a lot of skills in 2nd job and High kick would end up doing less than gelder trow...

i sense that, that will be a one hit wonder the dp one that is, because the mp cost would be extremely high if u want those 2 defense plus concert tour and u won't be able to do much with it unless you have tons of mana pots.

http://www.tricksteronline.org/forum...?showtopic=774
Sturdy Shield
Master 320 10s 34% 90s

Shield All
Master 320 10s 18% 160s

Concert Tour
Mastered: 4.8 power, 4 shocks, 300 MP, 8 second cooldown

so in total it will be 940MP to do max damage with concert tour...

Shadow_knight · 20 Aug 2006

Yeah I know it cost a lot of mp but let's say at level 150 you do 10k-ennemies deffense= 8.5k damage on 4 ennemies. Level 100-200 ennemies have between 3k and 15k HP. You can OHK 4 ennemies at the same time! and a DP cat is very at partying too. Shield all, everyone get 18% DP boost + 148% of the cat's defense with fan club. A level 100 DP cat have what? 800DP+ Equipement=- maybe 1200DP? 1200 x1.48= 1800. so all your party get a 1800 DP bonus!!!! so a level 100 can almost be hit of 0 by 200+ monsters!. If you plan to go high level, I'm sure it worth it.

Make up uses almost the same amount of mp.

Sturdy shield=320
Dodge master= 300
Make up= 350?(or it might be 300)
Wild Rush= 300 too

So it consumes more MP

DragoonSora · 20 Aug 2006

I wish there was a consensus here.

Has anyone even TRIED these builds in 2nd class yet..? You can speculate with stats and generators and everything, I'm sure it will help.

But that won't tell you which one performs better as a whole. <.<

There are flaws with each of these builds.

HV build can be very versatile combined with high defense, but High Kick's damage doesn't look so impressive in the later levels.

Make-Up build sounds like a cheap Power Type. I might be wrong here. Because cats have awesome Def + Skills. But between you and me, I think the Power Types should be hitting harder than a cat... And yet NOBODY can prove me wrong because nobody has seen the characters in action.

DP build sounds like abusing the Def skills to make everyone in party extremely well Def'ed. But if everyone in your party has uber high defense, why would they need a tank? *dot dot dot*

I know AP raccoons are very powerful right now due to no 2nd classes (They get awesome defense to tank bosses, and spamming Power Blow seems to work pretty well..) But I want a consensus on CATS and their second job.

It's extremely hard to do, because Evade and Defense stats are VERY bad to judge a character's power on.

So if anyone knows somebody who plays jTrickster, OR EVEN BETTER THAN THAT, if anyone HAS a high level Idol, can they share their experience ? pl0x

MorningRayn · 20 Aug 2006

Well... DP cats... you forgot some minor details....

1) Concert Tour is on an 8 second cooldown. Their auto-attack damage will be much lower than a Make-Up's.

2) You're not going to always have 4 enemies to hit - Even if you do, that's only 3.75k damage per second (with only 1 target it's 7.5k every 8 seconds - which make-up out performs)

Siraulo · 20 Aug 2006

We may never know. They might make some maps for each type of buils. They can't make it to 1-on-1 player vs. monster game forever right? That's why they made those skills. For variety.

Let's say they make a map with lot's of mosnters jammed together and fast respawn rate. You can hunta DP type character there. They might not do it too. Which will probably make all character builds for 1-on-1 battle only.

fireyhope · 21 Aug 2006

Originally Posted by DragoonSora

DP build sounds like abusing the Def skills to make everyone in party extremely well Def'ed. But if everyone in your party has uber high defense, why would they need a tank? *dot dot dot*

yeah cause even if a cat isn't there they would have a good tank? you do realise the defense thing only lasts a bit over a minute when mastered...

and a dp cat might be able to tank extremely well on later lvl's

Hazai · 21 Aug 2006

So is concert tours damage dependant on how much defense you have?

eAZaku · 21 Aug 2006

Yes.

Just like High Kick is dependent on your evasion.

IMO Make Up AP cats have the advantage simply in that they are low maintenance. You don't even have to prebuff, just cast Make Up and start whacking things for nice, constant damage. You can even use regular hits while waiting for your skill to cool down.

Of course, Make Up is plagued by low defense, low evasion, and constant MP drain (but what build isn't, when they're spamming skills?)

fireyhope · 21 Aug 2006

Originally Posted by Shadow_knight

Yeah I know it cost a lot of mp but let's say at level 150 you do 10k-ennemies deffense= 8.5k damage on 4 ennemies. Level 100-200 ennemies have between 3k and 15k HP. You can OHK 4 ennemies at the same time! and a DP cat is very at partying too. Shield all, everyone get 18% DP boost + 148% of the cat's defense with fan club. A level 100 DP cat have what? 800DP+ Equipement=- maybe 1200DP? 1200 x1.48= 1800. so all your party get a 1800 DP bonus!!!! so a level 100 can almost be hit of 0 by 200+ monsters!. If you plan to go high level, I'm sure it worth it.

Make up uses almost the same amount of mp.

Sturdy shield=320
Dodge master= 300
Make up= 350?(or it might be 300)
Wild Rush= 300 too

So it consumes more MP

from trickster online .org

Originally Posted by Catmints

You say again, but I never got them wrong before. Thank you for pointing that out, however.

Another note, I'm looking at Concert Tour, and I saw something interesting. I think...Fan Club is dependant on how many people are in your party. So, Fan Club DOESN'T give the bonus if you are solo.

Read this Super-Engrish version of the jWiki, the real deal:
(sorry won't let me post link go to tricksteronline.org to find out where it is)

Also, apparently, it seems there is a bug where it only affects you, not your party members. I would be inclined to suppose this is simply a skill which raises YOUR DP when there are party members close by. Just a supposition.

Also, after looking at it...Concert Tour isn't all that special. It has an 8 Second Cool-down, a narrow range, and focusing on it hurts all your other skills. If you had the extreme patience to work a char up to that level, I'm sure it could be a rather damaging character, but...I don't know, I just don't see them being all that efficient. Consider the overall damage rate. The damage that you deal is basically spread over 8 seconds. Even with a 4 in Magic, since Mana Reflector is based off HV, you're still going to be eating magic damage. Even with 2000 DP, you're going to be taking chunks of damage from other's skills, and if they are able to either survive one Concert Tour, stop your movement, stun you, or stay out of your narrow range when you cast it...that's 8 seconds as a 'sitting duck' where they're pummeling you with their skills.

Yeah, that's PvP, I'm sure you'll be fine in PvE. Except for the whole damage reduction percentages. I think leveling will still be slow with Concert Tour...

It's somewhat like a GC Crusader, if they had a longer cooldown. Maybe a Combination of Skunk Pouch and CT would work: they can't move for 12 seconds, and you can get off two CTs. That'd kill most any char, methinks, unless the damage is even less we think.

Sekrits · 21 Aug 2006

CT isn't slow leveling, HK doesn't solely depend on Evasion, and MU cats are less common for good reason. Not everything is based on formulas gotten from the jTO wiki or wherever you all get it :S

eAZaku · 21 Aug 2006

MU cats are less common for good reason.

Maybe because Make Up is TM level 110 and the subsequent MU skills are like 130, so that makes a good Make Up cat like around TM level 150+?

Be more specific. If you think Make Up sucks, then say it. No one will hold it against you if you back up your argument.

springroll · 22 Aug 2006

from what i seen on JTO, MU cat do way more dmg then a HV cat but getting tm 130 seem hard to get MU.

Sekrits · 22 Aug 2006

Originally Posted by eAZaku

Maybe because Make Up is TM level 110 and the subsequent MU skills are like 130, so that makes a good Make Up cat like around TM level 150+?

Be more specific. If you think Make Up sucks, then say it. No one will hold it against you if you back up your argument.

I've been specific already in the last few pages, I was in a rush and had to get off the computer so I only posted that >_>. I don't think any build sucks, but one of my buddies on jTO plays a level 143 MU cat and he regrets it because of the downsides of MU. MU is like a double edged blade, sacrifices alot for power...and I just don't like it. Its not

And I don't know why alot of people think AP cats have a hard time after 2nd job, they really don't have much of a hard time...they just have a harder time than Evasion <_<