Power Cat Compared to Evasion Cat

[KiRyuMkX]

I see a lot of people say pumping evasion for cat is better and some say pumping attack for cat is better. I see a lot of people say attack cats are better for regular attack but evasion cat gets more damage for high kick. How often do cats use high kick because doesnt it cost a lot of mp to use since its such a good skill?

[woofay11]

yes, somebody needs to clarify this. As i stated in a previous post, max evasion cats only do about 500-600 more dmg with high kick than an atk power cat. How long is the cooldown, and mana cost of HK? this will determine whether or not HK will out damage normal attacks made by atk power cat between high kicking.

and now for the big question, people say that evasion is only good for the 2nd job skills. Please show me what skills use evasion as a basis for their effectiveness.

[NeoNephtis]

taken from http://trickster.gamersmanual.com/index.php/Cat

High kick damage formulas
These formulas apply to cats at Tmlevel 101

4114 build (no bonus points added)

attack damage= 14+(101*4)=418
evasion=(101-1)/4=25
High kick damage without shape up=[(418+ 25*16)* 18.6]÷ 8 =1901.85
High kick damage with shape up=[(418+ 25*1.45*16)* 18.6]÷ 8= 2320.35

4114 build (bonus points added to attack)

attack damage= 14+(202*4)=822
evasion=evasion=(101-1)/4=25
High kick damage without shape up=[(822+ 25*16)* 18.6]÷ 8 =2841.15
High kick damage with shape up=[(822+ 25*1.45*16)* 18.6]÷ 8= 3259.65

4114 build (bonus points added to evasion)

attack damage= 14+(101*4)=418
evasion=evasion=(202-1)/4=50.25 (only whole numbers count)
High kick damage without shape up= [(418+ 50*16)* 18.6]÷ 8 =2831.85
High kick damage with shape up=[(418+ 50*1.45*16)* 18.6]÷ 8=3668.85

thus, with the high multiplier in HF formula
High kick = [(atk dmg + evasion*16)* 18.6]/8
we can say for high kick user add evasion is better.

[woofay11]

yes of course it's better, i know that, but would atk power do more dmg in the long run?

[NeoNephtis]

no for high kick, yes for normal atks, and power blow

[KiRyuMkX]

Originally Posted by NeoNephtis

taken from http://trickster.gamersmanual.com/index.php/Cat

High kick damage formulas
These formulas apply to cats at Tmlevel 101

4114 build (no bonus points added)

attack damage= 14+(101*4)=418
evasion=(101-1)/4=25
High kick damage without shape up=[(418+ 25*16)* 18.6]÷ 8 =1901.85
High kick damage with shape up=[(418+ 25*1.45*16)* 18.6]÷ 8= 2320.35

4114 build (bonus points added to attack)

attack damage= 14+(202*4)=822
evasion=evasion=(101-1)/4=25
High kick damage without shape up=[(822+ 25*16)* 18.6]÷ 8 =2841.15
High kick damage with shape up=[(822+ 25*1.45*16)* 18.6]÷ 8= 3259.65

4114 build (bonus points added to evasion)

attack damage= 14+(101*4)=418
evasion=evasion=(202-1)/4=50.25 (only whole numbers count)
High kick damage without shape up= [(418+ 50*16)* 18.6]÷ 8 =2831.85
High kick damage with shape up=[(418+ 50*1.45*16)* 18.6]÷ 8=3668.85

thus, with the high multiplier in HF formula
High kick = [(atk dmg + evasion*16)* 18.6]/8
we can say for high kick user add evasion is better.

I know evasion is better than attack for high kick but Im asking how much can i use high kick like if I can use it in every battle because it does cost mp right? I cant just keep using it over and over again and I wanted to know if i use regular attacks a lot more often than high kick
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[NeoNephtis]

If you prefer goin for regular atk then atk power, but like any other game, if you wan faster lvl, keep on spam skill and pots...

but as for my personal oppinion,

you add atk power, your evasion lower, you need more hp pot
you add evasion, your evasion high, you need less hp pot, but mp pot if you spam skills :)

[Silver Swan]

Im going to make 4114 evasion cat, its decided ^^

[Sekrits]

Power Cat has the advantage during early levels, since a power cat won't need to use GT and can just FS until 2nd job, or FS until 2nd job comes out. Evasion cats are liked because their buffs have a greater effect on them and they dodge a freakish amount later on, not because of HK. Cats are originally meant to go Evasion, so Evasion has the greatest effect on them. Power will lose out big in the end, I even think that defense does better than Power in the end ._. In the end, evasion cats will be forced to get FS (if 2nd job isn't out) anyways.

[saphiraka]

okay so this means that evasion cats are best?

[Airu]

I've put my bonus points into evasion and used the 3124 build...
My damage output is really really low and it takes so long for something to die. XD Does it get better later or am I doing something wrong?

[Valarius]

4114 with all bonus stats put into evasion seems to work well, although I do eat up potions really really fast..

Glad I picked evasion, I read somewhere that there was an attack that was modified by the evasion stat. Thanks for clarifying that for me.

[Zai]

Pumping evasion or defense seems useless to me. Lower levels will be a pain, power builds will just fly by you. Then you finally get that skill, and you do a whopping 12% more damage with it than power builds that got the skill days or weeks before you, and you need to rely solely on it for damage. You can dodge? I'm not sure that even matters. I can get my def high enough with just equipment that I can hunt things 15 levels over me without taking much damage. Potion costs are nominal anyway. Just the base 4 in charm seems to be plenty of defense to me, I dodge a lot and don't take much damage, and with every point I get going into my damage I kill things really fast. I crit things 10 levels over me for more than 600 damage with power blow, and I'm only level 26.

[Caramel]

anyone know which growth adds evasion?

[Talynn]

Hmm, there doesn't seem to be anything about a 4123 build...Maybe I should try that out...or more interesting... a 3133 build o_O

EDIT: Ehh...3133 sounds a little "too hard" to try and make, but ya never know lol.

[Miir]

IIRC if you're a Cat you have Charm locked to 4.

[mozimask]

Could someone just tell me what does a POWER cat need to add and what does an EVASION cat need to add? also in skills,
Please tell me the shortcut to the bonus points name because power and evasion tell me nothing x.x
I need the information for a friend btw..
Thanks in advance.

[Sekrits]

Originally Posted by Zai

Pumping evasion or defense seems useless to me. Lower levels will be a pain, power builds will just fly by you. Then you finally get that skill, and you do a whopping 12% more damage with it than power builds that got the skill days or weeks before you, and you need to rely solely on it for damage. You can dodge? I'm not sure that even matters. I can get my def high enough with just equipment that I can hunt things 15 levels over me without taking much damage. Potion costs are nominal anyway. Just the base 4 in charm seems to be plenty of defense to me, I dodge a lot and don't take much damage, and with every point I get going into my damage I kill things really fast. I crit things 10 levels over me for more than 600 damage with power blow, and I'm only level 26.

At level 100ish, its going to be reversed. Power will be pitifully weak compared to Evasion. >_>. Paying off in the end>Easy at first

[THK]

Originally Posted by Zai

Pumping evasion or defense seems useless to me. Lower levels will be a pain, power builds will just fly by you. Then you finally get that skill, and you do a whopping 12% more damage with it than power builds that got the skill days or weeks before you, and you need to rely solely on it for damage. You can dodge? I'm not sure that even matters. I can get my def high enough with just equipment that I can hunt things 15 levels over me without taking much damage. Potion costs are nominal anyway. Just the base 4 in charm seems to be plenty of defense to me, I dodge a lot and don't take much damage, and with every point I get going into my damage I kill things really fast. I crit things 10 levels over me for more than 600 damage with power blow, and I'm only level 26.

Sorry to say, you're wrong.

From my jTrickster experience, evasive cats end up doing a whoooole lot better than power characters. Power starts easy and then gets average, Charm and Sense start out quite a bit rocky and end up MUCH better later.

[kitty]

have you seen any 4114 evasion cats using the makeup skill?or would they be to weak to use that skill?