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20 Feb 2007
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#41 | | Queen Odinea
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| Go for Pure AP. | | (Offline)
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22 Feb 2007
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#42 | | also known as CujoEX
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Originally Posted by MrFlakes Hey guys,
Uhm, excuse the noobiness, but I just started two days ago, so yeah. >__>
I'm currently level 11 (nothing special) and I'm a 4114 build. I didn't really know what to do with my points, so I've been doing 2 AP, 1 DX, 1 LK per level.
Advice please? o__0
~ Flakes | Start over. You're still a low level anyways. Place all your goods in the Paridise Town Bank with the Leapard with Red Hair. That girl will allow you to transfer equipment, items, and galder with different characters under the same account. Remake your Buffalo and make a 4114 Build and place all Bonus Points on AP. When you get to LV 10, you'll be able to withdraw the items from the Red Headed Leapard.
AP is the main source of damage to all your attacking skills. DX has a cap at 0 so when you reach LV 120, your DX will hit 0 anyways. LK increases the chances of getting a better bonus in Mature Compounding and increases your Critical Block Rates, but by doing so, you're weakening your damage meaning you'll level slower when you're a higher level. If you needed anyone to compound, best to find a trustworthy fox (pure LK) and let him or her compound for you. If you wanted more LK yourself, then get a fox to compound extra LK for you. | | (Offline)
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22 Feb 2007
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#43 | | Silver Prinny
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Originally Posted by CujoEX Start over. You're still a low level anyways. Place all your goods in the Paridise Town Bank with the Leapard with Red Hair. That girl will allow you to transfer equipment, items, and galder with different characters under the same account. Remake your Buffalo and make a 4114 Build and place all Bonus Points on AP. When you get to LV 10, you'll be able to withdraw the items from the Red Headed Leapard.
AP is the main source of damage to all your attacking skills. DX has a cap at 0 so when you reach LV 120, your DX will hit 0 anyways. LK increases the chances of getting a better bonus in Mature Compounding and increases your Critical Block Rates, but by doing so, you're weakening your damage meaning you'll level slower when you're a higher level. If you needed anyone to compound, best to find a trustworthy fox (pure LK) and let him or her compound for you. If you wanted more LK yourself, then get a fox to compound extra LK for you. | I'm pretty sure that when you reach Lv 120 your DX doesn't hit 0 that soon. I guess there is a cap at 0, but I hit lv 124 cujo, and its still base 1 DX. I'm not sure when DX hit's 0, however if DX is capped at 0 DX can still get lower than 0 depending on the items, pets, etc. you wear.
With rings and red fairy my DX is 1+-4 and tested with my -4 DX katana I used to use with the stats it made 1+-8 DX, and yeah there was a big faster difference in the attack speed as you saw cujo.
I'd recommend what cujo says though, Restart now while your still low level so you can gain those points that you'll need and compound LK items or hats by after lv 100. | | (Offline)
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2 Mar 2007
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#44 | | also known as CujoEX
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| Updated a bit. Added a Where To Train Guide as well. Keep in mind that the Where To Train Guide is for those who went a 4114 or 4123 Build with Pure AP and Burning Rave. That Guide can work for Bunnies, Pure AP Cats, Pure AP Raccoons, and Stone Strike DA Lions and Foxes. | | (Offline)
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3 Mar 2007
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#45 | | Leader Toy
Join Date: Nov 2006
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Originally Posted by Canon Brandish Slay (which requires Straight Slay). Shinobi Combo is a great 1v1 skill, but consumes too much MP.
Honestly, Third Job won't come out in eTO for a long time so eventually you'll have enough TM points to get every skill for First and Second Job in a few months or so. If you were to save TM though, you'd have to sacrifice on other skills. If you just get Burning Rave and Pumping Heart during First Job, you should have enough TM to get Brandish Slay, Shinobi Combo, Berserk, and Blade Force Mastered.
Brandish Slay, yes. Berserk, yes. Shinobi Combo is over rated, but if you don't mind the cost of MP then yes. | you said that shinobi combo cost to much mp, but brandish slay cost 540 mp mastered while shinobi combo cost 440, 100 less then brandish, and how is brandish really better? arnt they both 1v1 skills?[/quote]
.... for shinobi combo it requires quick action AND bulls eye so you can't avoid those skills | | (Offline)
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4 Mar 2007
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#46 | | also known as CujoEX
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| Brandish Slay is a mob skill and can hurt a lot of enemies near you. It does more damage than Shinobi Combo (unless they have a good elemental weapon with very low DX). Brandish Slay's damage can increase if you got a good Water Elemental weapon. It doesn't count as an Elemental Attack (or so I heard).
You're right about Shinobi Combo and Brandish Slay, however, Shinobi Combo doesn't really do that much damage even with Elemental Equips compared to Brandish Slay. Shinobi Combo does take too much TM points.
Shinobi Combo requires LV 10 Hyper Beat, LV 10 Burning Rave, LV 10 Bull's Eye, and LV 1 Sonic Beat. That's a lot of TM. | | (Offline)
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4 Mar 2007
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#47 | | Queen Odinea
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| @CujoEX: Element has nothing to do with shinobi combo... | | (Offline)
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6 Mar 2007
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#48 | | also known as CujoEX
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| elemental equips are good for normal damage arent they? doesn't shinobi combo split you up to multiple buffalos to attack an opponent using normal attack for a couple seconds? | | (Offline)
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7 Mar 2007
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#49 | | Queen Odinea
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Originally Posted by CujoEX elemental equips are good for normal damage arent they? doesn't shinobi combo split you up to multiple buffalos to attack an opponent using normal attack for a couple seconds? | I think you mean Berserk? Berserk puts you into a mode where the character automatically attacks mob using regular attacks with 200% AP.
Shinobi Combo is a skill attack that consist of N hits each of 108% AP; despite the "N hits" nature of the skill, the animation you see with this skill is just a "5-hit Combo" bubble done in one hit.
The thing about splitting up could be Shadow Attack, a 3rd job buffalo skill... haven't seen any in action yet, though. | | (Offline)
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7 Mar 2007
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#50 | | also known as CujoEX
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| No, I didn't mistaken them for Berserk.
What I meant is that Shinobi Combo splits you up to multiple Buffalos (5 at most) and follows you to attack a monster that you point at. It stays there for a few seconds so you can only land a certain amount of hits. DX equips and elemtal weapons increase your normal hits so wouldn't it work with those multiple Buffalos' normal hits? | | (Offline)
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7 Mar 2007
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#51 | | Queen Odinea
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| I don't know where u got the idea that it's a multiple normal hits... It's a multiple hit of 108%AP, which is almost the same as normal hits, but then it seems to do skill damage as seen from the skill in action. | | (Offline)
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8 Mar 2007
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#52 | | also known as CujoEX
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| Do you have a clip of Shinobi Combo anywhere? | | (Offline)
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8 Mar 2007
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#53 | | Cobra Flower
Join Date: Oct 2006
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| i've seen it the skill your talking about is indeed shadow attack shinobi i havnt seen used in pvp but i have in pvm and its just a sign that comes up and says 5
shadows animations is 5 or 6 buffalo spread around the person and all move in at once but its quick
i wonder if you have alot of dx does it change the animation? or does it always stay on 5 without knowing how many hits it actually does? | | (Offline)
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13 Mar 2007
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#54 | | Anemone
Join Date: Oct 2006
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| Cujo beautiful guide! really very thorough and clear
Anyways, I wish we have more videos and experienced players from kTO or jTO to help us with more information >.<
I still don't know if I wanna be a AoE or ASPD buff
I need clarification on this:
Here's the formula for Brandish Slay(BS)
"Damage = AP * (450% + Water Attribute % * 2.5)" (Cujo's post)
Im guessing that the 450% is magnification ratio of mastered BS.
Where does Water Attribute % taken from, is it from weapon's water compound?
Also, am I correct to assume the 335% and 550% atk power (from both mastered SS and BS) is calculated in AP (from the formula)?
Hence, assuming mastered SS and BS, the formula becomes:
Damage = (335%+550%) * (Total AP) * (450% + 2.5xWeapon's Water compound%)
Is this accurate? | | (Offline)
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14 Mar 2007
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#55 | | Torrobie
Join Date: Mar 2007
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| I am very new at this game. Only been playing for 2 hours and needed some help. I heard buffalo are great at this game. SO could u give me some advice and where to train what stats and what skills i need to become a great buffalo with fast traininig please thx | | (Offline)
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14 Mar 2007
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#56 | | Queen Odinea
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Originally Posted by coolWave I need clarification on this:
Here's the formula for Brandish Slay(BS)
"Damage = AP * (450% + Water Attribute % * 2.5)" (Cujo's post)
Im guessing that the 450% is magnification ratio of mastered BS.
Where does Water Attribute % taken from, is it from weapon's water compound? | You are right, the water attribte % from you weapon. 450% is for mastered BS.
Originally Posted by coolWave Also, am I correct to assume the 335% and 550% atk power (from both mastered SS and BS) is calculated in AP (from the formula)?
Hence, assuming mastered SS and BS, the formula becomes:
Damage = (335%+550%) * (Total AP) * (450% + 2.5xWeapon's Water compound%)
Is this accurate? | What formula? The sum of damage from both skills? >_> Doesn't sound right to me.
SS Damage = 335% * (Total AP)
BS Damage = 550% * (Total AP) * (450% + 2.5xWeapon's Water compound%) | | (Offline)
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23 Mar 2007
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#57 | | also known as CujoEX
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Originally Posted by lamle I am very new at this game. Only been playing for 2 hours and needed some help. I heard buffalo are great at this game. SO could u give me some advice and where to train what stats and what skills i need to become a great buffalo with fast traininig please thx | Everything you need to know should already be there. Buffalo's aren't that great in my opinion. If you want to train fast, get a 4114 build (read the post about it) and go Pure AP. The first skill you should get is Burning Rave. Master it as soon as possible (read the post about it). Then you should get Pumping Heart (read the prereqs). With those two skills alone, you'll be able to train up to LV 120. Then read the skill build guides and choose what skill you want. As for the where to train guide, read the post again. It should be at the bottom of the post.
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Updated. Added more information on Where to Train for EXP and TMP.
Last edited by CujoEX : 23 Mar 2007 at 01:59 PM.
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28 Mar 2007
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#58 | | Torrobie
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| ......  ........confusing but i guess it's good???? | | (Offline)
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6 Apr 2007
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#59 | | Torrobie
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| Should I get the Sword Attribution Build or the Skill Leading Build? I've read about both of them and personally, I think the Sword Attribution Build, but I'm still confused on which to pick. | | (Offline)
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10 Apr 2007
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#60 | | also known as CujoEX
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| Skill leading build seems more useful in my opinion. It's the mob type path, and Buffalos specializes in physical mob attacks. Sword Attribution Build is for 1v1 types, however, Bunnies are better for 1v1 than Buffalos with Shinobi Combo. | | (Offline)
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