Attempt at an In-depth Analysis of Tempest Strike

[Torikakae]

Right, first, let's define Tempest Strike. Here's the description at Level 10, and this is the level that we are going to test with.





Is it weaker than Burning Rave? Well, let's test it out. First, we'll use this pathetically comp'ed weapon.



No Air-Attribute so this would do. Also, we're gonna test it out in one of my favorite soloing spots before: Phantom School 2-4~


Okay, using this Heaven's Dagger, we test Burning Rave:



Burning Rave (Mastered) Does 6216 to Egg Specter and 8163 to Ugly Corpse


Now we use the same weapon to test out Tempest Strike



Tempest Strike (10) does 5658 to Egg Specter and 7425 to Ugly Corpse.
Tempest Strike (10) at crit, does 8588 to Egg Specter and 11300 to Ugly Corpse


Damage using this weapon is consistent. And as results show, Tempest is weaker than Burning Rave (It should be obvious if you read the description LOL ^^ )




Now let's try using an Air-comp'ed weapon. For this set-up, we'll use my other pathetically comp'ed weapon:



As you can see, the AP is weaker but this time we have 101% Air. Now what will be the result of comping Air attribute? Well, let's test Tempest Strike using the same monsters. The results:

**Total AP using Air-attributed hammer is 4000












Non crit damage ranges from 5005 to 19681
Crit damage ranges from 10005 to 29685

Air Attribute randomizes the damage, and increase the damage to as much as 3 times it's normal damage (Possibly more, since my hammer's AP is low compared to my dagger's AP, plus my Tempest isn't mastered yet).


How does it fare with our other Buffalo skills? Let's see~

Inferno Blade:


Inferno Blade (M) with 0% Fire Attribute:
Non-crit: 10958 at Egg Specter and 14434 at Ugly Corpse
Crit: 16538 at Egg Specter and 21814 at Ugly Corpse


Lancerator:
*Image removed because I have over 25 images. Boo T_T *

Since no one uses Lancerator, I didn't even bother. But hey~
Lancerator (10): 9350 at Ugly Corpse (Will do less damage on Egg Specter)


Tidal Slash


Tidal Slash (M) with 0% Water Attribute
Non-crit: 10958 at Egg Specter and 14434 at Ugly Corpse
Crit: 16538 at Egg Specter and 21814 at Ugly Corpse

* Roughly the same as Inferno~


Blazing Strike:


Blazing Strike is a complete enigma to me. Damage seems to be as random as Tempest Strike. Screenie is 5 hits at -17DX.


Conclusion so far:
- Air Attribute greatly increases damage done by Tempest Strike. Damage is randomized however.
- However, if for example, a single Tempest Strike is used on at least two monsters of the same type (ie. Two Egg Specters), damage between the two will be the same.


Future researches:
1. Comparison of Tempest Strike to other Buffalo skills (Done. I'll let you draw your own conclusions)
2. Finding the formula to Tempest's min and max damage (Done, click for link)
3. Discovering the meaning of "Hit Number". Will try it at monsters with high HP and DP, like Ithchy~


Special Thanks:
Khmer2k1d5: For inspiration by making that other Tempest thread
g33khunter: For the info about Air-attribute comps, and finding an Air-compable weapon.
eD3N: For pointing out some important missing aspects~


I can't believe I spent my free gacha coins getting that hammer and testing this out. Oh well, that's how much I love the Buffalo community *Hugs my Torikakae*~

[eD3N]

Well you could tell us what's your max AP with each weapon,and we could work out just how high the %AP damage it can get to..

Also,would of been better to test this on 100% physical monsters such as torrobies..:/

[Torikakae]

Originally Posted by eD3N

Well you could tell us what's your max AP with each weapon,and we could work out just how high the %AP damage it can get to..

Also,would of been better to test this on 100% physical monsters such as torrobies..:/

LOL, how could I forget that :P

Anyway, my AP w/o the weapon is 3614. So with the hammer, my AP is 4000.
For an easier calculation, let's just say my AP is 4000 total, and my Air Attribute is 100%. The answer using that shouldn't be too far from the truth~

I tested it at Phantom School 2-4 because of the mobs. I hate running around, and the monsters here are aggressive so they come to me~

[eD3N]

My theory on blazing strike is that each hit is calculated to hit/miss/crit indepently of each other. Damage is barely ever the same since you might get 5 hits on one monster,then 3 hits + 1 crit on another,then 4 hits + 1 crit again on another.

Whenever I equip AC equips and use it in pvp,my BS usually hits 4+ hits on non-charms doing around 10k.Without those,I most likely do 1 hit and 2-3k. :l


Also,you need to find out what % of physical those monsters take...so we could actually work with the formula.I could do that right now but i'm at school and I don't feel like messing around in notepad lol.

[Khmer2k1d5]

<3 Torik


Well, I guess this new skill is pretty strong... You know, when I have a Wind Weap.... which I don't...

[g33khunter]

Oh nice. I always wanted a damage comparison of all AoE skills, cause Ã*m still undecided what to skill next^^

Guess ill stick to this one for some time..
the tempest-move reminds me of my good old zelda-times.^^

[paladin]

would you say this skill is worth useing gathca coins for?
I am 120 now I could wait till 130 for mars or try for the 120 wind hammer

[Torikakae]

Originally Posted by eD3N

My theory on blazing strike is that each hit is calculated to hit/miss/crit indepently of each other. Damage is barely ever the same since you might get 5 hits on one monster,then 3 hits + 1 crit on another,then 4 hits + 1 crit again on another.

Whenever I equip AC equips and use it in pvp,my BS usually hits 4+ hits on non-charms doing around 10k.Without those,I most likely do 1 hit and 2-3k. :l


Also,you need to find out what % of physical those monsters take...so we could actually work with the formula.I could do that right now but i'm at school and I don't feel like messing around in notepad lol.

That's sounds like a sound theory, but luckily, we're not working on Blazing Strike. We just use it as a comparison to Tempest.

Anyways, I have pre-revo data about the monsters. AFAIK, the physical tolerance % hasn't changed, but I think the HP/DP/MD/HV has changed. Anyways, here's the data:

The format is Phys% / Mag% / Gun% | Fire / Water / Wind / Soil / Elec / Light / Dark | HP / Phys Def / Mag Def / Gun Def

Egg Specter | 62 85 85| 85 85 85 85 85 108 85| 3985 338 599 270

Ugly Corpse | 82 110 54| 110 110 110 110 110 110 110| 7765 432 509 330


I believe the data regarding it's Physical and Elemental Tolerances are accurate. This was taken from a guide posted on MT a long long time ago.

[Jinchuuriki]

Kudos to the topic starter

this is a nice guide for fledgling buffalos like me

[blankXsilver]

Umm... Mind doing the test on torrobies? Just want to see what it's like without anything that modifies the damage outcome.

[Torikakae]

Actually, I'm planning to do just that. But....maybe around Thursday? School will kill me for the next three days or so~

If I manage to survive, let's massacre some cute helpless Torrobies in the name of science! :rabies: :rabies: :rabies:

[blankXsilver]

Ok :sun:
And lol at Trickster science. You've massacred Phantom School's students.

[Leuitikon]

Just wanted to add a little info to our scientific experimentation... It seems that the "Number of Hits" is the total ammount of hits it will do.

For instance, Im in a herd of 4 Laki's and I use Tempest, The skill will hit 5 times in total. If you use tempest on a single monster and NOT a group it seems to do only 2 hits. If you dont crit with it on 1 monster, it looks as if it does only 1 hit but in reality it does 2. If you crit it shows you doing 2 sets of dmg the normal hit then a crit dmg. (I would post screenies but Im retarded and dont really know how to :frown: .) I really hope this post helps some.

[Fin]

i would believe that it would be unfair to compare inferno blade and tidal slash to tempest if you are constantly holding a wind attr weapon all the way =/

[wackykid]

Originally Posted by Fin

i would believe that it would be unfair to compare inferno blade and tidal slash to tempest if you are constantly holding a wind attr weapon all the way =/

yeah... i would love to see the dmg of inferno blade and tidal slash using equips with fire/water attrib...


regards,
wacky

[Fin]

it would definitely be much better

[solja]

an AoE skill(Sonic slash) is left out.

or are you just comparing only the Second job AoE skills ?

[Torikakae]

@ Leuitikon

Yes,