Lion Guide *Revolution*

[arbiter35]

Thanks for the tips badna0, updated my guide again with those in mind. Questions, comments, and advice are all appreciated. ^.^

[badna0]

just took a look at your guide again, and it looks great! keep up the great work and the fast updates!

[Monkiemagic]

lol you know when you quoted me I didn't say that

Originally Posted by badna0

Also, it's worth giving other options: if you're doing any amount of drilling, invincible drill (and even basic detection) are reasonable skills to include, with the obvious consequence of delaying other skills.

This here is quite true, but never get invincible drill lol NEVER get it. I got basic detection myself but only to level 3, why? because after level 3 (60 depth detection) most of the other quest require you to dig quite far thus by increasing basic detection it will be a waste but the question remains as to why get basic detection in the first place. Let look at the quest

1. Phantom school:
-Runner-Up Elliot Searching for Genealogy: collecting study notes
-Toilette Mara - Searching for Tissues:collecting red tissue and blue books
Depth to drill: 40-50m
basic detection is 60m >= D? more then enough

2.Caballa Relics:
-Guide Sabrina - Contributing to the Fund:collecting gold eggs and gold, golden eggs are drilled while the gold is found by killing mimics
-Fairy Feria - False Charge: collecting patterned pottery and plain pottery both which are drilled
-Officer Tera - Aposis Data Collection: collecting aposis statue and sticks, the statue is a drillable item
-Genius Cochma - Launch! Caballa V (with the four cats):Lapis Penna, Tortoise shell, Malachite and Selinolite are the items you need to drill the others Eyes of the Sun, Ancient Jar, Ancient Dice and flying weight can be found by killing the variety of monsters
-Indiana John - Request: Incense Burner and Ash Boxes both drill items
-Monkey T - Best NPC on Caballa Island: drill items Gold Ring, Gold Necklace and the gold plated wheels are colelcted
-Clerk Z. Smith - Rare Stone Collection: the various stones are drilled
Drill areas:
-Field 1(depth 20-40) some quest items can be found here or Field 4
-Dungeons 1-4 (depth 40-60) the rest of the items are found here
Basic detection once again is able to be used

3. Oops Wharf:
Quite alot and I'm sleepy lol
All items can be found on Wharf Field 1-4 doesn't matter which one you go but basic detection covers it

So the pros of basic detection is quite large since these new quest updates where as before in Laggy's guide the basic detection was alright but not a need

sorry ill post the rest up later im sleepy @_@

[wackykid]

Originally Posted by Pyrofyr

Is there any decent way to get money at that level? @_@;

read my guide in my siggie...

i have 200mil now and my 3 chars are only 8x each...


regards,
wacky

[arbiter35]

Yes Basic Detection is a good skill to have, but if you wanted to be picky the guide is for making a gunner lion, which means gun skills are the top priority. I'll have to take a look at how many TM points I have, but I might get it after Powershot. I didn't really need it before, but for drilling in Caballa Relics it will be useful.

[badna0]

i was only suggesting it as an option anyways. Some people really are gung-ho into drilling. and some people are gun-ho.

[riyokku]

Originally Posted by Monkiemagic

This here is quite true, but never get invincible drill lol NEVER get it.

Feh, invincible drill's only one TM point, it's not as big of a deal. And actually, as a hybrid lion myself (who REALLY REALLY loves drilling...somehow...lol) I've found it really useful. It's most useful in drilling in areas where enemies don't do much damage and you don't want to give up drilling to defend yourself. And in higher level areas, I usually have enough lk to block the attacks of enemies until I dig up the item, which usually leaves me enough time to repot, pick up the item I drill up, and defend myself. It's ESPECIALLY useful because I don't like to waste the life on my swamp drill <_<

It's useful for those who like to drill (like me). If you don't have a preference to drill though...you might as well not get it though.

[Monkiemagic]

If you really really want invincible drill you would get it at a higher level, why? because monster that actually hit you are quite powerful (aggro monster), by having it at a higher level its means you can dodge and block them while having it at for instance level 100 below is a waste

I just don't see the benefits of invincible drilling, when you could just blast the monster away unless your drilling in high spawn areas in which likely you wouldn't want the monster hitting you anyways

[Pyrofyr]

Not true, let's say I'm lvl 5x and I'm drilling at mantis for this event (Purely an event thing, and seeing as no one drills there...), it would take 5 hits or so for a mantis to kill me, meanwhile I could have easily finished drilling. It ensures that my drill will go through. Also, once you start using better drills it becomes very important as they can be pricy or hard to get, and that 1 wasted life means a lot. (Imagine spending 30k~100k on a nora drill to then get hit and waste 1/5 lives).

[Monkiemagic]

lol your sig says you are 5x, the map with mantis (southwest forest) is so large that by killing one mantis or a couple you are bound to be safe drilling for a while. Its pretty quick drilling 20m unless your using a basic drill >_>

From basic - gao drills they aren't pricey, the gao drill I think goes for 4k at spicy island which isn't much to conjure, this drill can be used almost anywhere, depth it reaches is 180 which is pretty much up to tech4 and beyond one of the high level maps. As for the quest drills:

-nora:max depth is 200, you'll probably only use it in three places
1.Soki map- max depth is 200
2.Norah maps-impossible as of now
3.Spicy Dragon lair- only just reaches the min depth of 200
Why would you use it at these places? because its pretty much a waste of the drill to use it anywhere else, its also to max the potential of the drill. Leaving the only alternate place to be the silver jewel mines but gao drill does the job

-Tapasco drill:sell it, gao drill does the job

-Swamp drill:goes to 250 depth the highest depth not including myshop or event items and has 600 life, pretty much the best free drill you could get. So the map to max its potential would be:
1.Swamp field 5 and 6
2.Spicy Lair
These maps are pretty high level, you need quite a lot of luck to block them thus why my recommendation to get invincible drill at a higher level. Even if you can continue drilling while being hit, its pretty much wasting your hp as the monster just hits you

Now hard to get is possible
Nora: only from other players
Swamp: You get five from doing the quest and from buying from other players

If you find drills too pricey the answer is vending, go killing in beach field and collect quest items and vend them. Your 100% bound to make something unless you overpriced it.

[Pyrofyr]

@arbiter - I want to clarify, and perhaps you'll add it, that a lot of guides state that you should job change at TM 52, but that simply isn't true. The fact is, at lvl 50 you're due for a change in leveling area, no matter what your TM is, and the extra level is nice (50->51), not to mention the TM lvls for getting closer to power shot. Some may like to feel an accomplishment in skills once changing, but it shouldn't be done. At lower levels, you gain more raw TM lvls than you do at a higher level.

I jumped 4 TM levels (48->52), whereas if you changed at 52, you'd only gain 3 TM levels. You could argue that the pure TM experience is difference enough, but not really, I'm moving to Galli today from Path of Oops(Sea Tiger/Ironclad Turtle).

Also, as a tip when training in Path to Oops, try and stick to the top right corner, generally people avoid it due to high mobs, but you can just lead the turtles around in circles while sniping them off (Hopefully post-Quick Reload), and after you're done picking them off take off Sea Tigers. You're practically ALWAYS attacking when you do this, so there's no down time besides reload-time, which is very, very sexy. If you run out (Rare), go to the left and kill some of those off until it respawns.

@Monkie - I've been trying to get to Spicy Island to buy Gaos Drills, is there any easy way there? :x I see that it's far off from Path to Tabasco Volcano, so I'm fairly sure that I'll just die on the way (After all, it took quite a bit of manuevering to get to Tech2-topside, just to drill there).

[Monkiemagic]

@Pyrofyr

Yeah there is but you need to first complete the chapter 1 episode quest 1, if you have though then follow whats below

Go get a wing to whatever place you want to teleport to e.g. paradise, azteca etc because once you get there O_O you have to walk back, don't want to be stuck there forever aye

Once you have that wing, go to caballa dungeon 1 and go to the weird box pick the answer disaster and BOOM your teleported there =D, once you have those drills just use the wing and teleport back not very hard to do lol

Edit: forgot, you need to do the second one too with the weird box key

[riyokku]

Originally Posted by Monkiemagic

If you really really want invincible drill you would get it at a higher level, why? because monster that actually hit you are quite powerful (aggro monster), by having it at a higher level its means you can dodge and block them while having it at for instance level 100 below is a waste

I just don't see the benefits of invincible drilling, when you could just blast the monster away unless your drilling in high spawn areas in which likely you wouldn't want the monster hitting you anyways

I said I didn't like to waste life points on a swamp drill that goes 2 hp lower every time I drill on it outside of the swamp dungeon. This is especially useful in a crowded spot in the snow mine. Especially snow mine. Because nora/AD drills are no longer available -_-. And I don't have the money to buy a flicker.

And I've had bosses spawn on me in the middle of drilling before (mostly Tenter lion, the boss that can't hit crap on you normally if you have over 100 lk o_O. Of course, if it were Soki/Spicy, I'd stop drilling and fight back, since both of them can probably one-hit me anyways in whatever I do...but Soki and Spicy never spawn where I drill O_O). It helps. Kinda.

I can easily achieve 90 DA nowadays, so I have no problems keeping from wasting my drill hp--just that with aggressive monsters around, it's a little bit of an annoyance to give up an item to fight back. Because honestly, I value drill life more than my own HP. I really don't mind dying because of drilling as long as I get my item, because HP can be healed anyways. Drill life on the other hand...well, if they ever make an option to repair drills, that would be awesome...but that doesn't exist =/. Besides, swamp drills are hard to come by, and gao drills...well, trips to Spicy Island are really annoying (no trouble getting there...just the monsters there that are gun-absorb piss me off =_=). In fact, most of the gao drills I get are drilled...because I honestly hate going to Spicy Island.

Invincible drill's more of a convenience for us drillers rather than a necessity. It's not entirely useless, and it's only 1 TM point anyways...I don't see what's the big deal about it.

[Monkiemagic]

Theres a shortcut to spicy island now, read my above posts

You do realise that if you died you can't pick up your item, unless you actually finish drilling before it kills you and for someone thats level <100 drilling in a snowfield mine you WILL die before you finish drilling. Your IGN says your level 130, so its possible for you to finish drilling BUT the argument is getting invincible drilling at the start of your lion career where as it has little relevance

There are only three purposes of drilling in snow mine anyways:
1.Your planning to refine equipment ABOVE level 171+
2.Your doing the quest
3.Your planning to sell stuff

1.Unless you practically are lvl 171, which is a higher level THEN its practical to get invincible drill
2.Quest is for level 95, people usually do this quest for the harkon but if your going for Tm and Exp sure go for it but on crowdy servers you most likely won't finish
3.Why waste a swamp drill for money <_< when it comes in abundant elsewhere

Likewise back to my original point that invincible drill is worthless at lower levels. For a lion that is going Tm 115 to get that double shot, 1 tm point means a lot

[riyokku]

I've heard of that shortcut. And unfortunately I don't have access to it for some reason. I didn't even really start Ep 1. Not a single part of it. Because I had better things to do -_-. Like drill o_o

Because of that the strange box won't let me use the shortcut, so you need to consider that. =P

And actually, for a lion going 115 TM for ds...Even if you got invincible drill it's still not that much. I pretty much "screwed" up my skill build before 3rd job, but even then once I got to the TM level of DS, I was able to get DS to level 7 upon hitting that TM level, maxing it out easily upon hitting 3rd job. As long as you don't use your TM points for other things like 6th sense and compound master when you really need it for something else, you'll generally be fine even with that 1 TM point gone. o_o

TM levels are a bit more important during the lower levels actually, but at the point where you can get skills like DS, unless you spend your TM points on a lot of skills you can do without or don't need yet (like 6th sense, compound master, heavy carrier--which I never bothered to level past level 1 lol, and leveling up armor destructor before 3rd job), you can generally get around with the loss of 1 TM point.

Also swamp drills are incredibly hard to find on Fantasia nowadays. Occasionally I find someone selling mud, but otherwise I have to get them on my own, and even then can only have a max of 5 drills unless someone decides to sell more.

GD AD drills no longer available T_T

Invincible drill's not useless...it's just a luxury you generally don't need unless you're an avid driller like me. o_o

Oh and BTW, I'm actually 15x, I just forgot to update my profile o_o

[Monkiemagic]

Likewise invincible drill is a luxury skill, we are talking about a full gunner only build then the invincible drill is worthless

Edit: I thought you where a driller O.O, so why haven't you done the episode quest yet lol

[Pyrofyr]

Well it's still not useless for everyone, and although this is a full gunner build, it simply states that it's a Lion Guide for REvolution in the title, so you may want to consider that. :/

Anyhow, it really is something that is nice. At TM 115, you should be something like this...
I don't think you get a lvl 1 TM... just 114, right? >.> Pretty sure on that, so I'll go over that, if I'm wrong, +1TMP :P

Stone Strike - 10 (Lv 10)
Gun Carrier - 5 (Passive)
Invincible Reload - 5 (Passive)
Gun Booster - 15 (Mastered)
Armor Destructor - 2 (Lv 1)
Quick Reload - 5 (Passive)
Lucky Seven - 16 (Mastered)
Power Shot - 15 (Mastered)
Shooting Spree - 15 (Mastered)
Double Shot - 16 (Mastered)

That right there is 104, leaving 11 points for whatever you want...

Keen Sense is crap, you won't get that.

Lucky Fist seems more PvP oriented, skip it for leveling.

Butt Plate is crap, skip it for leveling.

Sixth Sense, would go one over, but goes in the same section as ID, it's luxury.

Heavy Carrier, same as ID, luxury skill.

Shuriken Master, same as ID, luxury skill.

Sticky Foot, not really needed, but seems better than any of those, would be 12 points going over though.

Basic Detection, luxury and also for digging, if you're getting ID, at LEAST get this. However 1 point Versus 13 points, makes it questionable.

Armor Destructor, very nice considering you already have it at lvl1.. but very costly, however a lot bet