Do you think things will ever get better for foxes in eTO.....or worse?

[NegaRutabaga]

Sure we got 3rd jobs out. But it did not really change much for the average fox. They are still restricted by their physical-based damage in late levels and not even Explosives Expert or Sudden Attack made any break-through improvements over it.

Foxes got some new tricks in PvP/GvG, but it's still not enough to make them lethal like some other classes infamously are. Foxes seem to have kept their bottom tier position versus other players just because the common builds have low AC. Not even the default 2143 works well enough in PvP/GvG....which is kind of sad.

Now when I say " working well enough in PvP/GvG "....I do not mean just tanking with LK or being a ridiculously higher level. I mean seriously doing decent, consistant damage too, keeping other players (who are close to the same level) on their toes. So far, that just does not happen often for a normal fox. Why? Miss, miss, miss, miss, miss.....

Then we look at boss hunting. Ouch, foxes usually have the deck stacked against them in that department too. And it's just because most later bosses have physical resistance....which is kind of unfair for most foxes. I'm hoping that eventually the updates will change the resistances on the later bosses, so that everyone at least has a chance.


And that's why I'm curious. Do you think things will get better for foxes....or will they keep getting shafted as a " last priority "...?

[Yellowdoggie]

ehh ? not really. foxes own in pvp. a lv 180 fox was spamming land mine in pvp today for fun and guess what? it totally cleared the whole room because of the 11k crit and 8k non crit >.> (note, she 3rd job so that's 2 mine!) on dragon she just spam potion at same time

and when she just spam 2 and hide, everyone was all *run in.. BAM DEAD!*

[zgmfx09a]

Truthfully, with Hybrid available, foxes are very decent now...

[Ghia]

im confused. i never seen any fox suck in pvp but i think your kinda asking too much out of sense type chars. consistant damaging? i dunno about that in my opinion i always thought of foxes as snipers/assassins they make their damage off crits and single heavy blows not back to back combos. sure lions are fast and accurate because they have ac to base their damage on but defensivly foxes have crazy amounts of luck boosts so with a bit of hp you wont die off enemy crits which can make a big deal depending on who it is. if its elemental damage your looking for i guess you could just make a meele luck fox and get a lion shield... thats about it

[NegaRutabaga]

Originally Posted by zgmfx09a

Truthfully, with Hybrid available, foxes are very decent now...

Yeah, but the thing is a gun fox is not the " average " fox........they are still uncommon compared to other builds. And after starting one, it was easy to see why.

When I refer to the average fox, I mean pure builds...such as DA, LK or both.
I suppose it's my fault for not stating " pure build foxes " in the topic title.

Once a gun fox reaches 3rd job, they do not face the same limitations as the pure builds. Because a 3rd job gun fox is basically a hybrid gun lion. And I'm sure most of us know that gun lions rarely have trouble leveling later or putting up a good fight in PvP/GvG. So 3rd job gun foxes really have nothing that needs to be improved....while the pure builds still seem to need help compared to other classes.

I'm saying I see room for needed improvement, but I'm wondering if it will ever happen.

[riyokku]

Foxes don't just tank with high luck in PVP. I saw a fox today who was 10 levels under me OHKO me with landmine (the only way I could avoid this was by running for my life rofl). We were both using full-myhax (well, maybe not me, although I did certainly have myshop equipment on). My gun skills had crappy accuracy and when they did hit they didn't kill in one hit (it took a DS/PS combo, and most of the time my DS would miss, and if not, the PS would miss).

He/she also went around slaughtering everyone else (including a much-higher level mage with high luck) with that landmine of his/hers

I think you should give foxes a little more respect in that sense =/

[Anchors]

I think the spammability of explosives plus landmine makes the bomber fox much more effective just about everywhere... Neither skill is nearly as bad for accuracy as stone strike, and both skills will allow for some quick kills in PvP. Plus, barring getting hit by stray AoE (terra must be a pain in the ass), Hide allows foxes to escape punishment/retaliation at least somewhat effectively. Other classes got their respective improvements, but I think foxes got a pretty significant boost from job3 relative to what other classes got, despite their comparatively poor start.

[riyokku]

I'm serious, with the 3rd job pure foxes out, I'm SCARED of LK foxes...even when they're at 2nd job with landmine I'm STILL scared of them... ._.