About precise pitch .

[Gotenks]

Well as above , i just like to ask any Foxes out there .
Do you guys add Precise pitch ? or is it just a watse
of time adding it ? cause at mastered lvl ,its +240 T.AP.
So i want to know whther its usefull anot ?

Im a Shuriken Pure DA 1144 fox btw . Need some
advice xD.

[thexkiller01]

its a waste of tm.
it barely add any more damage.
save the point for aura of luck

[NegaRutabaga]

Precise Pitch is precisely garbage right now. It's impractical, because you have to hunt down uncommon throwing items to get the most out of the skill. You can not simply buy the throwing items in NPC shops, which means the skill it total PHAIL. Supposedly PP will get a damage upgrade, but do not bother holding your breath...it could be a rumor or just take forever to happen.


And if you're playing a DA fox, I think you should skip Aura of Luck until later.....like when/if you want Hide. Technically it would help your mature compounding results. But the +18% more LK is not impressive on a pure DA build.

[Chobits]

I think Precise Pitch is gaining more use since they ARE selling higher level throwing items in NPC shops lately.

*saw hook spears (lv 90) in new oops wharf shop*

[badna0]

Precise Pitch may have a use now, since they will probably start selling even higher level throwing items once they remake the new areas. Who knows, maybe shuriken will become a new throwing skill?

Until it's tried and tested, though, I'd rather have someone else spend the TM points... you'd be wasting a lot of TM points that could be used to master aura, mine, and/or debuffs, which are all good skills.

[Gotenks]

Originally Posted by Chobits

I think Precise Pitch is gaining more use since they ARE selling higher level throwing items in NPC shops lately.

*saw hook spears (lv 90) in new oops wharf shop*

Yeah , many NPC's lately are selling higher Levels of stars .
But since im a pure DA fox , i may give a try to Precise Pitch.
No harm trying and gonna add aura of luck soon because
Landmine are mostly usefull for Pure LK / Hybrid -type Fox
(correct me if im wrong ). So instead of landmine i'll put Precise
pitch . =X

And btw my fox does not have invincible drill so should i add it
and add item detector ? or just leave it ?

Any advice on this ? ^_^

[Chobits]

Invincible Drill and item detector are generally useless.
Well, Invincible might have more use than item detector actually.

But they're still generally not things you want to invest in. Just get 90 DA and item detector becomes useless.

[Gotenks]

Originally Posted by Chobits

Invincible Drill and item detector are generally useless.
Well, Invincible might have more use than item detector actually.

But they're still generally not things you want to invest in. Just get 90 DA and item detector becomes useless.

Thanks Chobits , thats what i was thinking to . So should i skip
Landmine and get Precise Pitch ? xD Or should i say , is it okay for
me to skip Landmine and get precise pitch? since im a Pure DA.

[Gotenks]

bumps...
any advice ?.

[Levin]

It's perfectly fine to skip both but I'd not get precise pitch...at least not unless there's improvement on it later. Land mine is a so so skill. Invincible drilling is only 1 point, if you plan on drilling anywhere with aggro it's not a bad investment.

[RegalStar]

Actually, Invincible Drilling is quite counter-productive. THink about it - If you're drilling anything valvuable, the mosnters that will be breathing down your neck are generally things you DO NOT want to ignore.

[Robin]

I would only suggest getting this skill if you are going pure DA. You'll get much more out of it than when ur pure luk or w.e kind of messed up build (lol). It IS worth it now with the new marbles being able to purchase at caballa relics npc(?). Imagine when the higher shurikens will be able to purchase from npcs, then it will be a must since ur SM will outdamage ur SS.

[Zegridathes]

the bad thing about precise pitch is that the throwing weapons that actually get a noticeable bonus are extremely heavy.

big needles weigh 1 and have 20ap

hook spears weigh 9 and have 180ap

compared to a theoretical shuriken throw with no item,
big needles add 66 damage
hook spears add 594 damage
with mastered precise pitch:
big needles add 158 damage
hook spears add 1425 damage

Now, before you say "500/1300 extra damage with hook spear/precise pitch is a lot", remember that hook spear weight NINE TIMES as much as big needles. If I can carry, say, 650 fire needles with me (1300 WT), I can only carry 144 hook spears. I don't know about you, but, if I'm training in a high-population area like Swamp6, 144 shuriken is probably only going to last me 6-7 minutes tops. Even if you sacrifice the number of potions you take with you to carry more of the heaver throwing items, your MTTR (Mean-time-to-repot) is still going to increase significantly. Plus hook spears cost 9x the price of big needles, you can quickly reach a point where you are spending more to attack then you are making in return.

The weight-to-damage ratio with higher level shuriken is really poor. I'd be using big needles but back when you had to walk to either phantom school snack bar or spicy island to get higher level needles (and I wasn't as experience in the game), I stocked up and I'm trying to not have them taking up space in my bank anymore.

Edit: also, if you are pure DA, you will definitely want landmine, but only to level 10 and only so that you meet the prerequisite for explosives expert.

[MooTwo]

Originally Posted by RegalStar

Actually, Invincible Drilling is quite counter-productive. THink about it - If you're drilling anything valvuable, the mosnters that will be breathing down your neck are generally things you DO NOT want to ignore.

If they can harm you, you obviously don't keep drilling in that spot without getting rid of them. ID is more like a safeguard against monsters that pop up or come running while you're almost done drilling, so you can finish up. The annoyance and drill life it saves you is quite worth the single TM point, imo.

[Levin]

Especially if it's a myshop drill for example and you were like 5 meters away from finishing up.

[Skwie]

Originally Posted by RegalStar

Actually, Invincible Drilling is quite counter-productive. THink about it - If you're drilling anything valvuable, the mosnters that will be breathing down your neck are generally things you DO NOT want to ignore.

Hi, I'm a right mouse button.
I'm feeling ignored.


[On Topic]
Precise Pitch is a skill you get when you have absolutely no other place to stuff your TM in.
Right now with all the original 2nd and 3rd job skills released, that won't be happening early on.. Landmine, Aura of Luck, Explosives Expert, etc, are all skills I would prioritize over Precise Pitch.
I just got it cause it was the only buff we got when 2nd job was released, and because I wanted to test it.
Right now I just cast it for no reason at all (too lazy to remove it from my buff bar), I don't need it for training and I don't use shuriken in PvP anymore.

[Anchors]

Invincible drilling has never caused me any kind of death (although I got L7 pretty early and am LK, not DA) that I could not have prevented (and it's not difficult to hit the right mouse key anyway - a faster option than waiting for a monster to attack you). Besides, it grants one more degree of control over your drilling - you don't have to cancel to fight if you don't want (or need) to.

<edit>Yeah, what Skwie said. ._.

<edit2>Incidentally, I would only ever pick up precise pitch if I had absolutely nothing else to get or if they made it a passive skill instead of a buff (fat chance).

[Zegridathes]

hmmm, yeah, precise pitch would be much better as a passive...at the least.

I remember we got it in the same patch that dragons got wicked flame in and I remember feeling incredibly cheated.

[Levin]

Yeah...I would have preferred burning shurikens as a passive buff over...what little it does ._.