Lion Builds Help

[The Prestige]

Hey, I'm going to make a new Lion. Pure AC yes, Hybrid yes. But I was wondering about the build. I'm currently debating (lawl??) between 1144 and 4141. The tough part is my "idols", so to speak are ironically one of those (Duber (4141) and W/Destroy (1144 Low-LK)). But I'm having trouble deciding which road to take?
I do have a level 70 Gun Set (Trickster Gifts, maybe the only newer MyShop I'll get other than my Cursed Set (LOLI!))
...But I can't decide which to pick! I like being risky... but I also like (odd...) to have high HP (WHY??? I dunno...) so advice. Tell me all about which one your opinions your experience with the builds.
AND BY GOD IF SOMEONE SAYS "I'm a xx4x Lion and I'm lovin' it every second!" Imma shoot them. srsly. You need to go in-depth.

[racoontwacoon]

I'm not a like some ubermajorhaxomgw7fbbQownage lion, but i played lions most of my time playing trickster. I think that you should go 1144 cause' im a 1144 and im loving every second of it!

lol just kidding :P anyway, im a 1144 and i like it alot because you get alot of hp opposed to 4141 and a lion originally gets like half the HP cause' you don't get to use a shield so i think a 4 in charm is really important. Also, I tried a 4141 and i got owned at the beginning of the game :S. But, really its your :S

[Wonderdesire]

try going 2143. its a good build too.

[PRODlGY]

I am 3142 and I kinda regret doing this build because I die easily at pvp and gvg
so go with 1144~

[Doomedge]

*puts on bullet proof armor* I'm 2143 and loving every second of it.

[badna0]

I'd think realistically about how much pvp you're going to be doing. 4141 pvp lions will have a lot of difficulty surviving due to their low hp and lack of a shield, so you may consider going 1144 if you're considering pvp...
1144 also catches up to the 4141's initial advantage as you get to harder hitting mobs.

I'm in favor of 1144, because the better hp is better for pvp... also, it's much easier to start with more hp and pick up AC equipments (helms are often compable for AC, as are guns and accessories), while HP equipments are much harder to find (HP helm? give me a break, unless you count almond hat)

[Pyrofyr]

Ugggh, 2143 is horrible.

There are several problems I've had with it, for one my damage is crap, and it pisses me off. It's 'decent' but nowhere near good. My HP is still only 'decent' having 1.4k HP at lvl 53. Horrible. :S

I also mess around on a Lv 93 lion my friend gave to me, and it's 4141, it's rather nice actually. The damage is way superior (Of course the levels make most of the difference though), but it seems like that could actually be almost, if not totally compensated by with gear easily. The flipside of course is that HP is also easily compensated for.

The only REAL difference with the builds (And I'd go 4141 or 1144 to be more flexible), is how easy it is to fill up your weakness, OR increase your strength.

I'd personally go with 4141, for a simple reason...
- AP/AC from a gun, is NOT that hard to get, so you can increase your damage for leveling fast, without too much of a problem
- HP also isn't hard to get, so if you ever need to cover your weakness there isn't a problem
- 4141 means that you will already have a good deal of damage to start off with, and although I'm pretty sure you're not new, it means that you don't need godly equipment early on.

:/ 2143 seems to leave me with many problems indeed... I can get the AP/AC, but making up for both and catching up can be a problem.

That's my take on it anyhow, and it's what I would do. I'm looking to restart once I get the money for it.

[The Prestige]

My original lion (sousMomiji) was 2143 and I didn't like it. The problems with 2143 is the damage isn't very much higher, and the "higher" damage you get, isn't high enough to make up for about-ish 2k HP.

[Tatsurouko]

Lol look some points:
1144: its good just because ull get a High Hv witout ekips and with some ekips u can get more... thats is good. Nao HP hey GvG? yeah everybodie hits 11k+ =__= my coon Hits 6k in card strike and 13k Crit with OP with AC and HP ekips, none Hv... a Other Lion will Kill u in one ds D: if he is good, the quest is Why i want MORE hp when im going to die anyways? so go for 4141
Its hard to lv in the begging ull die a lot until get some hp ekips Like Ultima bracer hp or Cape with hp.. 5k its cool to lv... and pvp or GvG is that thing.. with high HP plp u failz, but if u get lucky to avoid 3 hits U can kill very fast with DS PS and SS... as u r going to hybrid...
but the questions is urs XDDDD Im 4141 i bought a skill reset set, but im lvling and seeing where i can get being 4141 XDDD maybe at 220 I reset if i dont like... obs: I have 11k hp in lv 200 wearning just acc with hp... and cape

[Raukue]

Yeah, a 2143 is not much more damage. A 1144 in the end, that being Lv.400, will have 3000 more HP and 400 more DP than a 2143.

I been debating if I should buy a Graph Reset to change myself to a 1144 because I regret going 2143, really not much of a difference in the end. You lose out on HP, DP and some HV by having a 3 in Charm. If only I had studied a bit more before going on with it.

Oh well... if we get to stage 7 in this Poppuri event, that will be 25,000 points, right? Because we get the prizes from previous stages as well? I can get the graph that way. Though a shame, feels like a waste and I could get better things.

[BloodVeil]

lol @ 2143 haters

Personal opinions are just that. Im never changing my build. Its more of a well rounded build than others. Oh pffft, my damage isnt as 'HAX' as lions of other builds. But hell, what my AC lacks, my LK more than makes up for. How2hithybrid?



@Thread starter, please specify what exactly youre going for, besides wanting decent hp :3

[Raukue]

You might think, being a 2143, you can just compound HP to make up for it, but you still lose out on some DP. And well, to compound HP on a 1144 even if just 1 or 2 slots can still work better.

A 2143 build is rounded yes, as I say in my guide. But I think in the end, 1144 can just do better. You only lack only 7 AC difference at Lv.100. A 9 AC difference at Lv.150. And a 12 AC difference at Lv.200 and so on.

HP and DP wise... between the 2 builds, a 1144 gets 750 more HP at Lv.100, 100 more DP. 1,140 HP difference and 152 DP extra at Lv.150. And a 1,500 HP, 200 DP difference at Lv.200 and so on.

I really should of gotten a 1144 build now I gotta get a graph reset which could of been avoided. :rabies:

[BloodVeil]

Im a happy 24x 2143 ._. I wouldnt switch my build for anything. I dont give a damn about DP, honestly. Lions are too fragile in general to do much with it. Another thing to mention is that a lot depends heavily on the gears you use too..

[Raukue]

Originally Posted by BloodVeil

Im a happy 24x 2143 ._. I wouldnt switch my build for anything. I dont give a damn about DP, honestly. Lions are too fragile in general to do much with it. Another thing to mention is that a lot depends heavily on the gears you use too..

Yeah I know. If one is a MyShop user that is easy. Being a 2143 build, have to compound some HP in order to survive. But being a 1144, you can compound AC into all your equips really and make up for lost AC. Maybe 1-3 slots to have LK, like on an accessory. I am still debating if I should change my 2143 into 1144.

I need to do some more research to see though. I mean would have to compound the difference of AC being a 1144, being at Lv.200 that would be about 12 AC to make up, perhaps make it up on a cape. That is say, 3 slots, 4 AC at the last on each. Less slots if more AC compounded. But let's see... compounding HP on a 2143 to make up the difference... I guess that is easily obtainable with 2-3 slots with at least 500 HP each, but would most likely get more. Would just miss out on a bit of DP is all.

Can't put HP on capes, except for the Noxx, Princess or Queen Mantle. So would have to put it on accessories I guess. Which is slightly still kind of a hard find. Easier to find accessories and capes that can have AC compounded. Hmm, so I guess now looking at it, 2143 is not too bad if you compound HP into at least 3 slots to make up for not having a 4 in charm. Though has to be more as you get higher in level, I guess.

But I am still debating if I should stay 2143 or go 1144.

[BloodVeil]

I havent comped anything to HP, besides my Nyxx cape o_O And that alone is just fine for any situation. And I almost didnt, because I didnt really need it, but I already had an AC cape.

[Raukue]

I am still unsure. Gah, hope I can decide what I should do when the time comes.

[The Prestige]

I want to be like a true blue glass cannon. When I played 2143 it was fun yes, but I could've played a 1144 and been better. Not to say I hate 2143 but it's kinda not as good as 3142 or 1144. It just doesn't work IMO.

[Raukue]

Originally Posted by ArcticMomiji

I want to be like a true blue glass cannon. When I played 2143 it was fun yes, but I could've played a 1144 and been better. Not to say I hate 2143 but it's kinda not as good as 3142 or 1144. It just doesn't work IMO.

Yup yup. I just updated my guide as I posted in another thread about this and just came to a realization and made it clear. Look at my Cyber Hunter guide, the 3rd post on it, to see what I said. But summed up...

2143 is half-assed, if someone wants better survivability, go with 1144 and make up for lost AC easily as you don't have to worry about compounding HP. If you want to do more damage, go with 3142, it is 50 more AC than a 1144 build and 25 more AC than a 2143, which I guess you can make up for lost AC from a 3142 build by compounding AC but I would say if you are aiming for more damage, to be a 3142 and compound for lost AC from a 4141 build is better than going 2143.

So 3142 is well, can be just as good as a 4141 build, if you compound AC. You are at a severe lost of HP though and would want to compound some HP, but hey, if you want to be a glass cannon, and do high damage, that is the sacrifice you have to make. It is high damage or better survivability and decent/good damage, not both.