Are DA foxes losing their touch?

[Wonderdesire]

i still have a PURE DA fox.

[ajibkobain]

im da/lk fox...

[devilhome]

yeah i think they should put foxes AC to LK so foxes can hit charm...i mean since that its suppost to be that way...if LK can be the foxes AC then it would be fair...foxes always get owned by every type of character...i wish someone can do something about it so my fox can be a bit happy...(^^,)so guys...do you think im right?i still need an opinions and reactions in my suggestion...

[gdragon59]

I have a pure DA fox myself, 1144. I had a lot of trouble with accuracy using SS but thanks to my updated equips, that isn't as much a problem now. I hit most of the time (Though I still miss some xP) and a lot of the things I'm fighting I kill in 1 hit and no more then 2. Haven't bothered with pvp yet.

[Shade~]

Everyone's talking about pure LK, and pure DA...what about both LK AND DA? like half-half, since both are good, but both have some bad points, so maybe with hybrid, each half will cover the other's weaknesses.

[Sorr0w]

Originally Posted by devilhome

yeah i think they should put foxes AC to LK so foxes can hit charm...i mean since that its suppost to be that way...if LK can be the foxes AC then it would be fair...foxes always get owned by every type of character...i wish someone can do something about it so my fox can be a bit happy...(^^,)so guys...do you think im right?i still need an opinions and reactions in my suggestion...

Lion to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build = High dmg+High acc.
Fox to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build too[same as below]

if 1144 Fox can be as good as 4141 Lion[lion has to sacrifice charm stat], then not fair
Lion use AC as power and LK as acc. meanwhile fox use DA as power and AC as acc.[same way around]
thats my point of view

[Shade~]

Originally Posted by Sorr0w

Lion to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build = High dmg+High acc.
Fox to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build too[same as below]

if 1144 Fox can be as good as 4141 Lion[lion has to sacrifice charm stat], then not fair
Lion use AC as power and LK as acc. meanwhile fox use DA as power and AC as acc.[same way around]
thats my point of view

that's not completely true that it's the same way around, cuz all a lion needs is lucky seven and he has about 100% accuracy on any monster <_<

[Drarin]

Originally Posted by Shade~

Everyone's talking about pure LK, and pure DA...what about both LK AND DA? like half-half, since both are good, but both have some bad points, so maybe with hybrid, each half will cover the other's weaknesses.

On the other hand, getting both LK AND DA will make you perform not as well in both areas, making you not as good as when you need to be concentrated.

[Lex]

Originally Posted by Sorr0w

Lion to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build = High dmg+High acc.
Fox to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build too[same as below]

if 1144 Fox can be as good as 4141 Lion[lion has to sacrifice charm stat], then not fair
Lion use AC as power and LK as acc. meanwhile fox use DA as power and AC as acc.[same way around]
thats my point of view

Guns >>>>>>>>> Knives in most situations. Being a 1 in charm and attacking ranged all the time >>>>>>> being a 1 in charm and having to get close constantly.

Lions can get 3 LK boosts for themselves, while a fox can only get one AC boost, skill-wise. That boost is fixed, too. It only takes what, 8ish HV to nullify that anyway? If Sticky Foot and Armor Destructor weren't so bad, then maybe...

[Maso]

No matter your build foxes are horrible unless they become clones of lions. Mediocre damage, horrific accuracy (unless you sacrifice alot of Charm), and worthless skills pretty much destroyed them. LK foxes can't even dodge magic and bullets that well anymore.

I have both a level 160 and 100 fox (one DA and one LK). Wanna know what the most useful skills are? The two digging ones I have maxed for the level 100 one (she's a digging mule).

And don't even try to PVP with one. They're basically fresh meat for every other class.

[Scherazard]

Originally Posted by Sorr0w

Lion to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build = High dmg+High acc.
Fox to max dmg n acc. use 4141 build too[same as below]

if 1144 Fox can be as good as 4141 Lion[lion has to sacrifice charm stat], then not fair
Lion use AC as power and LK as acc. meanwhile fox use DA as power and AC as acc.[same way around]
thats my point of view

This is only true if they start off as equal, but I don't think they are equal at the beginning.
Let's talk about killing monsters only in here, lion with a 4 on sense can hit monsters almost 100% chance already. Fox, on the other hand, is not able to do that.
In your case, 4141 lion is sacrificing the charm stats for extra gun damage.
4141 fox is sacrificing the charm stats for normal hit rate, so they can get equal to any other characters.

As I said, they are not equal at the beginning.

[Piekun]

Foxes need WAY too much stats to be effective. AC, LK, DA and HP if you wanna live >_> I agree, LK should be the acc for Foxes :/

[Zegridathes]

I'm completely happy with my 1243 with 81 levels of DA and 21 levels of LK.

76 AC is enough to hit anything I'd train on.

I'll still wait on my either my buff that gives me a % chance of not missing or my debuff that makes me not miss the target before I do anything besides try to hit 1st jobbers in pvp with landmine.

The other thing we need:

3rd job pure single target 45% physical resist breaker or AOE 30% phys resist breaker.

[hypero]

I'll never follow the flock and go Pure LK but, most of my DA gear has AC/LK so I balance out well with hax DA. ~