Melee Lion

[thatdamtom]

I was wondering if there would be any advantage to this, I feel like deleting some of my skills after the event, and was wondering if I should do this or not, I know this is stupid but I suddenly find that guns are boring the crap outta me, mind telling me what items, stats, build is best for a lvl 90/72 3142. Thanks in Advance, don't feel afraid to Pm me, i'm desperate to make a cool barely made rare lion

[Ildanach]

If gun is boring then play Power/Charm type? After all most of Lion skill is gun, probably try DA Lion or LK Lion then go hybrid.

[thatdamtom]

I don't feel like starting a new character lol, thats why im asking to change up my lion. Should I become da and start som e compounding service or something. I currently have 18 m, so i might be able to gain some extra g like that, any other suggestions? Thanks Ildanach. oh and whats the diff of lk and ac, ac does more damage, but what does lk exactly do for a lion, miss and more crits?

[riyokku]

4141 pure lk with hax AP/DX equips lol 8D

At least that's the critastic way to go. For foxes. But theoretically it would work for lions too. Although the wind-up time for melee that 2nd/3rd job lions have kind of slows down your crit attacks, which could be annoying =/

Well, if you're thinking about becoming a melee lion, AC becomes normal accuracy, no longer damage (AC only increases gun damage). If you're using stone strike/shuriken mastery, DA is damage. If pistol whip, LK is the damage. Pouch of pain? WT and weight % increases your damage. And if you're using landmine, it's DA/LK. Normal melee attacks use AP, and elements if you comp some weapons with them.

LK increases your chances in comping (well, it's supposed to at least >_>), increases chances of a normal melee block, and increases the chance of critical hits.

[thatdamtom]

Well, What do you think is the best thing i could do. And whats pistol whip, i cant find it in wiki trickster. and maybe you don't have a melee lion, but do you have any idea what my stats for average melee skills, build, and what items i need most. thanks riyokku you help me out on like all my post, big help. oh and whats fortune hit, couldnt find that in wiki either

[Sodacan]

Fortune Hit/Pistol Whip is actually Lucky Fist. It's a melee skill based on your LK and your enemy's max HP. If you want a melee Lion, I suggest going pure LK and going for Lucky Fist at 2nd job and Landmine at 3rd job (Hybrid for a melee Lion, of course). Landmine is based on your DA and LK so half DA and half LK isn't out of the question either. DA will boost the power of Stone Strike and Shuriken Master too. You have a lot of options. As for gear, it depends on what you want to go for. If you go pure DA, then you want DA gear, but there ism't much of that, tho. If you go pure LK, then go for LK gear. And for both, it's kinda obvious.

So yes, for a melee Lion you have lots of choices. If you go DA/LK, you'll also be ranged because you'd have Shuriken Master, as Stone Strike isn't very accurate.

[Ildanach]

Melee Lion is basically almost the same as Fox, saved for the third job skill.

[thatdamtom]

is there a melee guide i could use, for lucky first my tm has to be lvl 95 correct? but mines only lvl 72 and thats going to take forever to get to. Will shuriken master and stone strike get me anywhere with pure swords/dagger,and which is more useful in ur guys opinion

[Ildanach]

There's one by SPR, but it's pretty outdated. You can try follow the Fox guide, just use DA gear and spam Stone Strike or maybe Shuriken Master until you got Lucky Fist. Lucky Fist is not that useful in training due to the long cooldown.

[thatdamtom]

so is stone strke like power shot but for melee lions? and should i keep my ac items, or switch em all, and buy a dagger/sword w.e melee lions use

[moffit]

Melee lions do better with a weapon that has da or lk on it, so you wouldn't want to use a sword. My lion is pure lk with da gear until tm95, then switched to lk gear and started to really do some damage. I don't use ac gear at all. >.>

Sixth Sense will boost your Stone Strike's attack, and Lucky 7 will boost Lucky Fist/Pistol Whip. The Anniv. skill comes in very handy, too. Also helps that you don't need to worry about running out of bullets. :x

That 3 in Power will help if you need to use an elemental weapon (Coolems & Nirweths DX), and you can make up your lack of hp with an hp shield.

[thatdamtom]

so what do you think i should do? keep with the gunning. or go pure da/lk lion

[thatdamtom]

Oh, and also, if i do become a melee lion, do i use a sword/dagger, and do i get items that subtract dexterity? cause im still thinking if i should become a melee lion

[moffit]

Well ultimately it's up to you, but unless you're going to try for a lot of ap, don't bother with dx. You'll want things with da on them like an Ult Dirk from Skull and some Ult Leather Gear for Stone Strike to do damage, and things with lk on them (I have the Dream Set 100) for using Lucky Fist. Also, Lucky Fist does pretty well against Phys Resist monsters. I like to combo the skills, because Lucky Fist has a 6 second cool down.

Either way, if you go all DA or all LK instead of staying with AC, you'll be doing some darned nice damage with good equips. For example, my DA lion can solo Tut in 4 hits, and my LK lion is currently doing 11-12k crits in Tech4.

You could also do half DA and half LK to do decent damage with both skills, and since going hybrid is necessary for 3rd (right now anyway), you can later take advantage of the Fox skills that rely on DA and LK to do damage, like Landmine.

Basically, it's all up to you from here. :D

[thatdamtom]

thanks moffit, i think im going to be a da lion. I wanna 4 hit tut too =). Im only lvl 91. and i was wondering all ur stats, and all your skills and items if you can =) lol not to be such a hassle but i wanna be as pro as u =) I think im going pure da. And also mind telling me your damage of your da? Thanks so much man, youre great help

[moffit]

Hm, my DA lion is only lv90 because the cutoff for Tut is 90 and I'm wanting to try for more seals (he has 500). He does about 6k crits to Tut with around 120ish DA? Keep in mind I managed to get a little Kimono Angel for him with 15da. Before then he solo'd Tut with 5-6 hits. Seregil's 1144 so he can take hits pretty well, and uses an Ult Dirk with da29, Ult Leather Gear with da10, a Feel-More ring with da10 from the Haro quest in Carbigal, a Pendant thing from Oops (or Ep1?) with da11, and was using the da5 UFO from Azteca until he got the Angel.

Basically, the more DA you can get your hands on, the more damage you'll do. Kinda like using Stone Strike as a lv20 when it did more damage than a lv20 gunner. :shock:

Plus, not carrying bullets leaves more room for pots and loot. ^^

[thatdamtom]

Do you know specific prices for any of those items? Cause after the event im going to be resetting stats and whatnot. Im equipted with an okay amount of g. so i was wondering how much those items cost with those da comps

[moffit]

It really depends on how much base da and how many slots they have. They can run anywhere from 1-5m usually. I actually paid 10m for my dirk because it had near-max da (18 out of 19) and 3 slots. DA is also a small-range comp, so I would recommend using the stones for at least a higher min when comping.

[thatdamtom]

so should i change my gunner into a melee? and i really wanted to ask how much damage it did in pvp gvg type of battles. cause i really think this build is worth it and i was wondering if u think i could afford this build with around 20-30m galder. And if you do have any extra nice da items, if u could sell to me =)

[thatdamtom]

so moffit, whats your average damage, on say bug bear/joker? i got all the items, and now i just need to fix stats to pure da, and my skills to sixth sense, and lucky 7.