What does really affect compounding? DA or LK?

[einst]

I was wondering since i saw the wiki section that clearly states that DA affects both refining and compounding ability. Yet,the LK stat on ingame trickster defines that it helps in maturing compound. And, people always use LK SKILLS(Aura of luck,lucky seven, 1st anniv skill) in compounding. My question is,what really affects compounding? DA OR LK?

[Pyrofyr]

Truth: No one knows.
Speculation: LK

Most people believe it's LK, the wiki is probably outdated and wrong..

[Shadowmage29]

According to Trickster's sense stats in-game, it states that luck determines compounding ability.

[einst]

this is whats bothering me read the part in sense stats

[Äpathy]

Originally Posted by Shadowmage29

According to Trickster's sense stats in-game, it states that luck determines compounding ability.

It says DA does too. I think real life luck factors in pretty big though =p

[Inomae]

DA helps for the lower compounding (Paul, Nadia, and Blacksmith Marx in the mines when you're turning gems into higher gems.) and it's actually noticeable as there is a base %, and as you gain more DA, you'll see the % go up.

It is speculated that LK is what is used for Mature Compounding (Emo Nate), and to some people it's even speculated that DA actually HURTS your Mature Compounding (This is because dragons and such with high LK and 1 in Sense sometimes end up with really great compounds, while a DA Fox with 4 sense and about the same LK as the dragon, comes up with crap minimums)

However yes, I believe Real life Luck is the biggest factor when it comes to Mature Compounding.

[Lex]

Like others have said, it mostly depends on your own luck. If DA and LK were directly proportional to the higher success rates of compounding, a non-sense type would never get a decent compound, and sense-types would only get good ones. Clearly that isn't the case.

[Jopee]

when they said "Luck affects compounding", they meant in Real Life :ls:

[thorgal]

lol but a friend of me with 400+ luck get almost never minimums on mature compund... so for me luck does increase your chances at mature compunding, but you will need like A LOT to notice a difference, and you can still get some haxor compunds with 1 in luck, if your real life luck is great, but let's says that its very rare...

[Pyrofyr]

Originally Posted by Lex

Like others have said, it mostly depends on your own luck. If DA and LK were directly proportional to the higher success rates of compounding, a non-sense type would never get a decent compound, and sense-types would only get good ones. Clearly that isn't the case.

Wrong. Anyone with a 4 in sense (Quite a few magic types) would be the same. Which is actually WHY Sense/Magic are most noted for higher comps.

[Inomae]

Personally I'd see a mage who goes 1414 doing better off than a 1441, the extra HP/Defense is helpful to them, and LK from having a 4 in sense goes up slowly compared to what they can get easily from equipment. A level 200 1441 will have a base LK of 50, while a 1 Sense 1414 will have a base LK of 12, that's a difference of 38, which honestly doesn't come down to being too *great* of a difference when they have 300+ LK in equipment/bonus points used on them, most LK mages get would be through bonus point spending and equipment, not having a 4 in Sense..

Also keep in mind that a 1414 will have 4,500 more HP than a 1441 at level 200.. 4,500 HP > 38 LK , at least when it comes to defense, because by that point their LK is easily capped at the top block %, crit % also caps pretty early from the LK stat. 4,500 HP however helps keep them alive better (not to mention the 900 DP or so), and the extra HV I'm sure helps when they're casting.


Anyway... my point there was that 1414 Mages have it easy to compound when it comes to LK as well, because mages overall have a large focus to get LK, and that difference in LK is pretty small going 4 sense. (16 more LK every 100 levels.)

[DSFARGEG]

how does people like ******* get 1337 compounds then? they has no sense back then.

[Catharsis]

Originally Posted by DSFARGEG

how does people like ******* get 1337 compounds then? they has no sense back then.

There *is* a method to the madness; it's just not disclosed to the common people.

Don't ask me; I don't know either.

[Pyrofyr]

Well, I know a few ways to get great compounds, but a way to do it that's economically efficient without 'breaking the rules', no... I don't.

[gdragon59]

As stated, DA effects item compounding. Like potions, drinks, food, s. shurikens, etc. It's noticeable too. My pure DA fox rarely ever fails in it, and items that usually have like a 45% chance of success end up with like 85% due to her DA.

And LK DOES effect Mature compounding. People have done tests and came up with results that supported the theory. I don't have the link to the thread handy, but if you search the forum on http://trickster.ntreev.net/ I'm sure you will find it and see the results for yourself.

And DA lowering the chance of getting good mature compounding? I highly doubt it, since foxes are in high demand to do mature compounding for people. And, as we all know, foxes always have a 4 in sense. ^.~

[Catharsis]

Originally Posted by gdragon59

And LK DOES effect Mature compounding. People have done tests and came up with results that supported the theory. I don't have the link to the thread handy, but if you search the forum on http://trickster.ntreev.net/ I'm sure you will find it and see the results for yourself.

Mind fetching those threads for us? ^_~



A lot of people also have done tests here in this forum. Problem is, we need to confirm if the method is sufficient enough to generate a conclusive result. Most of the time, the problem is sample volume and proper execution that can control key variables (or suspected variables) in the experiment. In my knowledge, only ******* has come to a working conclusion with compounding experiments; other experiments I've seen either ended in another lose knot or were just too specious to accept.

[gdragon59]

I'll try and find it. I'm pretty sure I saw it in a thread regarding pure LK foxes. xP I'll post it when I find it.

[CodyZzZ]

I think we need to distinguish between compound as in potion or item compounds versus maturing compounds. When wiki or in-game suggests that DA or LK improves compound, I am very certain it applies to compounding items, such as making a cablla coffee.

From personal experience and reading forum threads, I dont think DA or LK has much or at all to do with mature compounding. Prove me wrong with solid evidence. :shock:

[Inomae]

LK has nothing to do with Minor Compounding (potions/throwing weapons/etc) It is stricktly DA, and it's VERY noticeable with DA, the highest boost from DA towards Minor Compounding however is +40%

[Anchors]

I don't have the solid evidence requested, but I tend to gear up with DA and use aura of LK (from my fox) regardless of which character I'm comping on... The results are pretty mixed, however, and the only thing equipping for either stat seems to do is marginally reduce the frequency of min comps...

The only place where there was any noticeable difference was on my hv raccoon, where LK got me tons of mins with some decent compounds here and there, and DA got me tons of mins with a few decent comps here and there plus the occasional really nice compound. (I got two 9 comps - out of 9 slots - for HV yesterday, one on dirty floccus and one on bubble beater, without elixirs. After gear and buffs, I think I had some 150ish DA and 54 LK.)

On my LK fox (who has for a while now just gone pure DA when comping) and 1414 MA dragon (who gears/buffs up for ~100 LK and 200+ DA), I can't say for sure, since dragon has done virtually no LK-equipped comping, and the last time fox geared up for LK to comp was way back in october?