Stat build DA/LK fox.

jolleet · 22 Mar 2008

As for now, I am leveling my fox, and atm, it is pure DA 'cuz it was easier to level with more damage. but since monsters will become more resistant to Physical I think it would be nice to get some more critical chance to do a little more damage often.

But would it change really something to put 20 level points into Luck ? or should I put way more points to have a real upgrade with criticals ?

like, what would be the best ratio for a level 100 DA/LK Fox ? 60/40
70/30 or 80/20, if I want to see a real change in crit. but at the same time, keeping a good amount of DA to increase my damage as well.

Wonderdesire · 22 Mar 2008

u can always be pure LK fox using DA gear. it is still ok.
but if u like DA and LK. try 50/50?
or put DA till lvl 50 and LK for the rest. its all up to u.

Zythus · 22 Mar 2008

Ok, now thats the thing that I find stupid.

Would you want a character thats overall poor in both stats (DA&LK) or would you focus on one? I find it pretty farfetched to dump your points into a 50/50 method. It sucks, for I have tired it and I shall laugh at you if you attempt this fail.(But hey, do if you will, this is my opinion)

I myself is a DA pure fox and I go around PvP killing LK lions and foxes. How?
If you seriously need that extra accuracy(LK) in PvP to hit an opponent, sticky Icky them. Period. Secondly, if you get pissed because monsters keep hitting through, wear a few LK equips and NOT the other way around. (A crappy LK fox with DA equips)
Block rates and evasion in PvP? Unless you are a hunterlord, you use Hide and Sudden attack to assasinate your enemies. They can't see you, nor touch you, so why care about block?

DA = Win.
LK = Fail.
Da/LK Hybrid = Epic Fail.

And if you guys are going to argue with me that LK is good at compounding, blah blah blah, good for you, because Trickster is not about being a money fffff. Training is involved. The above was my two cents about foxes.

Barnette · 27 Mar 2008

Originally Posted by Zythus

Ok, now thats the thing that I find stupid.

Would you want a character thats overall poor in both stats (DA&LK) or would you focus on one? I find it pretty farfetched to dump your points into a 50/50 method. It sucks, for I have tired it and I shall laugh at you if you attempt this fail.(But hey, do if you will, this is my opinion)

I myself is a DA pure fox and I go around PvP killing LK lions and foxes. How?
If you seriously need that extra accuracy(LK) in PvP to hit an opponent, sticky Icky them. Period. Secondly, if you get pissed because monsters keep hitting through, wear a few LK equips and NOT the other way around. (A crappy LK fox with DA equips)
Block rates and evasion in PvP? Unless you are a hunterlord, you use Hide and Sudden attack to assasinate your enemies. They can't see you, nor touch you, so why care about block?

DA = Win.
LK = Fail.
Da/LK Hybrid = Epic Fail.

And if you guys are going to argue with me that LK is good at compounding, blah blah blah, good for you, because Trickster is not about being a money fffff. Training is involved. The above was my two cents about foxes.

sticky icky? wouldn't that be using too many TMs? if a skill build is like this:
Stone strike(mastered)
Sixth sense(mastered)
Lucky seven(lvl10)
Aura of Luck(lvl10)
Heavy carrier(lvl10)
Pouch of pain(mastered)
Landmine(lvl10)
Hide(lvl10)
Sudden attack(mastered)
Explosives Expert(lvl10)

to me, DA foxes focus more on DA fueled skills more. isn't there the fan of knives that the accuracy is based on DA?

fieryshadowcard · 27 Mar 2008

The difference between Pure DA and Pure LK is relatively small. Do what you feel works for you.

List of things affected by each stat:

DA: Stone Strike, Sixth Sense, Shuriken Master, Landmine, Fan of Knives, Explosives Expert, Sudden Attack, Sticky Foot. Primary damage stat.

LK: Better magic dodge, better gun dodge. Gloomy Mist, Lucky Seven, Aura of Luck, Landmine, Explosives Expert, Sudden Attack. Secondary damage stat. Auxiliary defensive stat.

Level 401: Pure DA has 145 (155 in about 9 months or so) more natural DA than Pure LK; Pure LK has 163-173 more natural LK than Pure DA. Hybrids have differences somewhere in-between. More or less 80% of your stats will come from your gear in the long run anyway.

Level 201: Cut the level 401 differences in half.

Level 101: Reduce the level 401 differences to 1/4th of what they are.

The differences aren't that big, and certainly don't get close to their maximum amount until you're really high level (Hint: most foxes aren't even 300 yet, let alone 200. The same can be said for most characters).

And to answer your question in the first post: 20 levels of LK does as little for LK as 20 levels of DA does for DA (roughly 5 extra LK/DA if you're pumping the stat solely).

Cookie-cutting just to scrape the bottom of the stat barrel will make you lose sight of the bigger picture--how you want to build your character. If you want to cookie-cut, be my guest, but don't do it because everyone else is doing it or someone classifies it as fail or win. Misinformation blows hard.

As for skills, the ones you have listed are skills that every melee fox gets eventually, give or take Pouch of Pain. That's what training means--getting higher levels to learn more skills.

xKota · 27 Mar 2008

Originally Posted by jolleet

As for now, I am leveling my fox, and atm, it is pure DA 'cuz it was easier to level with more damage. but since monsters will become more resistant to Physical I think it would be nice to get some more critical chance to do a little more damage often.

But would it change really something to put 20 level points into Luck ? or should I put way more points to have a real upgrade with criticals ?

like, what would be the best ratio for a level 100 DA/LK Fox ? 60/40
70/30 or 80/20, if I want to see a real change in crit. but at the same time, keeping a good amount of DA to increase my damage as well.

20 level points into Luck may not be that great of an increase. Some users like to mix their stats when lvling, like 1:3 DA:LK, 3:1 DA:LK, or 2:2 DA:LK. Other users like to do 100 levels [ The level to stop adding a certain stat is your preference ] of DA and the rest into LK. The way you distribute your stats is your preference on what you will do later.

Originally Posted by Zythus

Ok, now thats the thing that I find stupid.

Would you want a character thats overall poor in both stats (DA&LK) or would you focus on one? I find it pretty farfetched to dump your points into a 50/50 method. It sucks, for I have tired it and I shall laugh at you if you attempt this fail.(But hey, do if you will, this is my opinion)

I myself is a DA pure fox and I go around PvP killing LK lions and foxes. How?
If you seriously need that extra accuracy(LK) in PvP to hit an opponent, sticky Icky them. Period. Secondly, if you get pissed because monsters keep hitting through, wear a few LK equips and NOT the other way around. (A crappy LK fox with DA equips)
Block rates and evasion in PvP? Unless you are a hunterlord, you use Hide and Sudden attack to assasinate your enemies. They can't see you, nor touch you, so why care about block?

DA = Win.
LK = Fail.
Da/LK Hybrid = Epic Fail.

And if you guys are going to argue with me that LK is good at compounding, blah blah blah, good for you, because Trickster is not about being a money fffff. Training is involved. The above was my two cents about foxes.

First thing is first, some of your informations are misleading.
Let me list them:
1. Accuracy.
You say Accuracy is obtained from LK. Wrong. AC is accuracy for a fox. LK is the accuracy for guns. [ Unless you meant use LK for Sticky Icky ]
2. Sticky Icky.
Have you ever tested sticky icky with pure DA. Completely useless without good LK gears. Pure DA foxes reduce my HV by 30 or less, letting me still maintain good HV. Sticky Icky does more reduction based off the user's LK.
3. Hide + Sudden Attack.
This combo does not offer 100% hit success on a user with over 100 HV. You would need to reduce their HV or get more AC [ which is nearly impossible as you would need like 25x AC (search somewhere for the ratio needed for AC: HV success hit rate]
4. Your list of DA win, LK fail, blah blah blah.
I'm a mix of stats and I seem to do fairly well in PVP/Leveling. Don't think just because you're pure DA and can own everyone means pure DA win.
I'll tell you another thing. Just because you are pure DA/LK doesn't mean you are restricted to only that stat for your gears. You need to mix and match your gears depending on the situation to do better.

fieryshadowcard pretty much said the rest about skill and stat differences.

Shade~ · 27 Mar 2008

Originally Posted by Zythus

I myself is a DA pure fox and I go around PvP killing LK lions and foxes. How?
If you seriously need that extra accuracy(LK) in PvP to hit an opponent, sticky Icky them. Period. Secondly, if you get pissed because monsters keep hitting through, wear a few LK equips and NOT the other way around. (A crappy LK fox with DA equips)
Block rates and evasion in PvP? Unless you are a hunterlord, you use Hide and Sudden attack to assasinate your enemies. They can't see you, nor touch you, so why care about block?

Right...I wonder how exactly your pvp battles go... you should try GvG.
Try sticky ickying a lion with sprint. He moves. You lose. Period. Sticky icky is too dependant on you standing right next to the target for like 2 whole seconds because of it's range and cast time. I've tried it myself numerous times, and it's nearly impossible to icky someone who keeps moving THE WHOLE TIME!

A note about block rates, because there are still lots of ppl who don't understand it: Block is only against MELEE hits, NOT physical skills!

Hiding and sudden attack doesn't increase your accuracy whatsoever. It probably works for you because you have high ac in your eqiups and you're fighting ppl with sucky hv.

edit: at OP: no offense, but it's stupid to depend too much on criticals, since it caps at around 60%, I beleive.

Barnette · 27 Mar 2008

if gears are the thing, then your gears might as well be in this manner :
DA or AC in sword in dagger
HP or LK in sheild(MD maybe)
AC or LK in hat

is that right or there's a small switcheroo problem?

oh, in the skill build. if one player gets item detector and planning to have PoP, is the sticky icky available? also, when hidden...does sticky works on target? a combo of sticky icky and fan of knives may be of good use. dive into crowds then shoot?