Compound Master

[jolleet]

Does this skill works finally ? Because the % added from this skill would be a bit overpowered...but if this really works that be great for high rate compounds :P

[Wingfeather]

This is a qustion EVERYONE would like to know...and is impossible to find out. On one hand a friend of mine gets GREAT comps with that skill, while my other friend SUCKS with that skill. I wish someone tested it.............

[LustyDragon]

Yup a question that EVERYONE need to know....
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i've tested without CM and i have a 46% Fire Attr. on one of my slots o.o..... it was a mage that comped it too O.O.... and i used a fire stone
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elixir range is 36-48.... and 46 is near perfect

[Ildanach]

You forgot to mention the elixir.

Beside, what's the relation of your post with this thread? It's only one compound, hardly prove anything, if any.

@OP, compound mastery doesn't increase your compound rates by 65%, it increases the chance of getting better compound, but that doesn't mean you won't get a low compound anymore.

I will get this skill, if I have extra points to spare. The difference is usually negligible though, or so I heard.

[Elly]

It increases your hopes by 65%, then destroys them. :P

[itsmemario20]

personally i dont no what to say.... My lion got mid-tier compounds before i learned and mastered compound master and he had 5xx LK and 2xx DA while compounding the best he got was a 8 out of 9 on my solar gun. Then I learn Compound mastery and mastered it and my compounds got worse I mean min+1's with 5xx-6xx LK and 2xx-3xx DA so of course I deemed it PHAIL and learned Keen sense instead >.> I would love for them to fix it though it would be useful maybe its something yet to be discovered about the skill.

[Jrvh]

I think it does work, but people probably have a general misconception of how
compounding and compound mastery really work. This is how it works I think.

We will use the commonly used 30-40 soil stones as examples. I'm going to be assuming that everything rounds down.

You roll a number between 1 %-100%, anything lower than a 78% will net you the min comp with the 30-40 stones. So your chance to get the minimum comp would be 77% without equating luck, compound mastery or elixers.

So lets say you roll 50% , without compound mastery thats a min comp, but with compound mastery you would get a 82% as your roll, that would put you at 32 soil.

Lets say you roll something high like a 95%-97% thats 38 soil without compound mastery, it's still going to be 38 with compound mastery, lol I don't know how to explain it. You would need a 98%-99% roll to get 39 soil and 100% to get the full 40 Soil.

Rolls from 1%-47% get you mins even with Compound mastery.

I think this will somewhat explain why compound mastery doesn't help really high/low rolls, say you roll a 99% and you could have your compound mastery ability at 99%, it would still not get you to the full 40 soil since its only 99.98%. 65% of 1% is only .65%

So compound materials that don't have a very huge range won't really get much of a boost from compound mastery, which is what most people comp, since a lot of the stones have their min very close to or past a 50% roll.

Now if Luck works like Compound Mastery and not like Black/White Elixers, even having a 1000 luck won't really help much since thats only 10% and 65% seems minimal even non existent to people.

So to sum it up it does help but it is still highly dependent on the luck of your roll like it always is. As you can see it doesn't even help a 1%-47 roll on attribute stones, and it doesn't help very good rolls. So it helps you 10-20% of the time achieve 2-3 soil attribute more than what you would've gotten.

[Fliplowfella]

Ive gotten CM recently and what ive gotten so far im not liking :/

I got 3 LK 200 mystones and got 9s(range being 8-22 wit elixirs) for all of them... T_T

Im wondering if CM had anything to do with it, then again im a very unlucky person.

[Jrvh]

@itsmemario20

If you don't feel like reading my wall of text because it's too long or horribly formated ^^

Here's the short version Lk and or compund mastery won't help you if you were gonna roll really bad or a bit below average 40% + :/, it won't help you if you were going to get really good rolls.
I think it only really helps a small percentage of your roll ,the middle and the upper middle range.

That 8 of 9 you got on your gun you would've gotten regardless even without the 5% help on luck or even the 65% with compound mastery. Since you rolled a 90%.

Most people probably don't realize that when you get a min comp most of the time it's an average roll. 9 x .50 is 4.5 thats thats pretty much the min of the compound item you used on the Solar gun, thats how most of the compound ranges are set up. Probably set up that way so people have elevated expectations on compound outcomes. Pretty good strategy by ntreev. 500 luck wouldn't have helped you if you rolled 50 heck 1000 luck makes it stay at min, but compound mastery brings it to 7.

Uh oh went on too long again.

[Sirnaq]

Quite an interesting speculation about compound mastery. Looks like it's efficiency is limited, but "when it works", you don't regret the TM points.

I tried to sum up your theory with a graph (values are NOT accurate and i'm bad at drawing curves). Still I wonder if it's correct:

[Jrvh]

Awesome thanks for that Sirnaq, that illustrates comp mastery much better visually. Yea your right it's still pretty much speculation but it kinda explains why
min comps are still highly likely even with a whole lot of luck and compound mastery.

Still not really sure how luck adds up or the nonsense of green elixirs. I'll go look up the numbers of the luck test that guy did on jTO hopefully he didn't have comp master along with it.

What makes Netreev more money do you guys think, timed items with compound modifiers to them good or bad, or ones with none?

[xxfablexx]

I've learnt it yesterday on my Lion, and then tried it today on my Queen gun and hat.
Got real nice comps (Hat= 11,9,7) (Gun=9,9,8).

I think it helps to me, dunno about everyone else ;x.

[jolleet]

Oh well, thanks alot for these opinions and eplanations. as I see it seems that compound master increases the chance of getting a high rate by 3-4%'s. That would be a skill to get when you absolutely have alot of spare points.

[towman]

I believe it helps with the compounding of items like with compounder paul and nadia. It helps your chances of successfully creating tea, coffe, and stuff like that, not adding to the compounding of weapon stats.bbbt:

[Ildanach]

Originally Posted by towman

I believe it helps with the compounding of items like with compounder paul and nadia. It helps your chances of successfully creating tea, coffe, and stuff like that, not adding to the compounding of weapon stats.bbbt:

I don't know where you got your information, but it certainly is false.

Paul/Nadia compound is affected by DA.

[towman]

Well it seems that it doesnt really effect nates compounding, and I have the skill mastered and i have more success with making higher level ores and other compounded items. I know DA is a factor but who says theres only one thing that effects the compounding????? *looks outside the box*