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Old 28 Jan 2008   #21
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Should be in ss section ;o, but sweet. I want the dark ring

Originally Posted by bigcrazytm View Post
The more mages' replace the HP equips,the easier it will be to 1-hit them ;D
And that's not entirely true becuase Uranus staff comp'd for dark and the ring are good enough. That's a min of 180% dark ;o. All we need to do is sacrifice like 15 ish luck and about 12 MA and we'll be owning hardcore. (Only need like 113% to out-damage lance with Staf of Agony, and 123% With Scythe.)(No HP sacrifice needed) Unless you wanna use the Gold Lion shield, but not necessary IMO, only good for seeing how hax your damage can be.

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and dammit drarin lay off dark dragons foxes are great too
Thank you, so very very much.

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Old 28 Jan 2008   #22
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Originally Posted by Ghia View Post
add up all the dark %?

360% with the uranus staff + lions shield + dark ring if you use dark stone with mins at max 480%. Downside? a HUGE decrease in luck. oh its just luck you say? oh lets not forget how much people rely on myshop gears so luck is like around lvl 200...maybe 200 luck gone or more? lol

and dammit drarin lay off dark dragons foxes are great too
Everyone's entitled to their own opinion.

I shan't say more in case something happens.
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Old 28 Jan 2008   #23
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Originally Posted by Ghia View Post
add up all the dark %?

360% with the uranus staff + lions shield + dark ring if you use dark stone with mins at max 480%. Downside? a HUGE decrease in luck. oh its just luck you say? oh lets not forget how much people rely on myshop gears so luck is like around lvl 200...maybe 200 luck gone or more? lol

and dammit drarin lay off dark dragons foxes are great too
You're wrong.

Dragons can easily obtain 4xx+ LK without 1 point in the LK stat.

I calculate that with sacarficing my staff, shield, and accessory i'd lose 60-100LK, but in return more then double my damage output.

Or let's say I go full out and comp MA in all places I can, staffs and shields don't use LK so no loss there, and I'd still have enough LK to hit all mobs in the game. It only takes 110-120% approx to match Dark Lances power with the 3rd job skills. 480% of darkness attr is over three times as powerful as Dark Lance, which is already a very powerful skill.

Originally Posted by bigcrazytm View Post
The more mages' replace the HP equips,the easier it will be to 1-hit them ;D
I can obtain 15k hp without a shield.

Kinda hard to OHKO that if you consider Dark Barrier.
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Old 28 Jan 2008   #24
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Since nobody else has done this yet:

EARTH
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By your Powers combined, I am... CAPTAINNNNNN PLANNNNNNETTTTTTT!!! 8D

So, who thinks the Planeteer rings will be permanent when they arrivei n eTO ;o
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Old 28 Jan 2008   #25
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Originally Posted by VorpalBunny View Post
Since nobody else has done this yet:

EARTH
FIRE
WIND
WATER
HEART

By your Powers combined, I am... CAPTAINNNNNN PLANNNNNNETTTTTTT!!! 8D

So, who thinks the Planeteer rings will be permanent when they arrivei n eTO ;o
Captain Planet, he's our hero! Gonna take pollution down to zero.
He's our powers magnified, and he's fighting on the planet side!

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Old 28 Jan 2008   #26
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._. Power Rangers are cooler than captain planet though. >_>;

"Is that Captain Planet? I think I see Captain Planet!"
"Captain Caaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa~aaaaaaaaaaaveeeeman~"
5 points if you know where it's from

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These accessories seem evil. >.>; And it doesn't belong in the screenshot section necessarily, since it's news.
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Old 28 Jan 2008   #27
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I guess it all depends on how much damage youd want to do and what youd want to do damage to. PVM, with enough ma you dont need dark% at all to do decent damage on sense, power types. PVP on the other hand youd find people with the odenia boxes so they have either high luck or high hp. Depending on how you balance out your attribute with ma i suppose youll still have enough to hit mages and such for lesser potential damage as oppose to going full power on very high hp chars. accuracy v damage. I guess people will still stick with accuracy for mage and sense advantages

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Also Captain Planet sucks
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Godly attributes for a melee...

Wonder how much it would cost here :|
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Old 28 Jan 2008   #29
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i want a dark attribute one D:
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Old 29 Jan 2008   #30
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Originally Posted by AgentJ View Post
You're wrong.

Dragons can easily obtain 4xx+ LK without 1 point in the LK stat.
How easily? ._. I'm MA/LK (not 1441, but yeah) and I still can't hit 400 LK. So what are the ways? Tell me your secrets nao, Hotaka. ;o

Originally Posted by AgentJ View Post
I calculate that with sacarficing my staff, shield, and accessory i'd lose 60-100LK, but in return more then double my damage output.
Dark Lords only have access to only two offensive skills. Considering that most of them will want to rely on the 0.8s cast time for Staff of Agony, you'll probably be using that to ohko in PvP. If the enemy is not ohko-able, then it spells trouble.

Originally Posted by AgentJ View Post
Or let's say I go full out and comp MA in all places I can, staffs and shields don't use LK so no loss there, and I'd still have enough LK to hit all mobs in the game. It only takes 110-120% approx to match Dark Lances power with the 3rd job skills. 480% of darkness attr is over three times as powerful as Dark Lance, which is already a very powerful skill.
Only if you don't use a LK shield. xD Which I do, and I also have LK in my staff. O.o I'd be interested to know how much damage Staff can do in PvP with full MA and 480% Dark Attr, because LK isn't that big a deal in PvM. You barely need 100 LK for all seven arrows of AR to connect in PvM.

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I can obtain 15k hp without a shield.
Wut? Hax? How much LK do you drop when you have all that HP? We really must PvP sometime. >_>

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Kinda hard to OHKO that if you consider Dark Barrier.
Only for Powers and Charms. ._. A Lion's DS could easily do 15k or more. D< *coughDubercough*
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Old 29 Jan 2008   #32
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Originally Posted by Ameh View Post
How easily? ._. I'm MA/LK (not 1441, but yeah) and I still can't hit 400 LK. So what are the ways? Tell me your secrets nao, Hotaka. ;o
For well starters, you told me that you didn't comp all LK.

Originally Posted by Ameh View Post
Dark Lords only have access to only two offensive skills. Considering that most of them will want to rely on the 0.8s cast time for Staff of Agony, you'll probably be using that to ohko in PvP. If the enemy is not ohko-able, then it spells trouble.
If it spells trouble it's the users fault, it's up to them to appropriately equip themselves and/or find a balance between offense and defense.

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Wut? Hax? How much LK do you drop when you have all that HP? We really must PvP sometime. >_>
Not alot lol

Originally Posted by Ameh View Post
Only for Powers and Charms. ._. A Lion's DS could easily do 15k or more. D< *coughDubercough*
To achieve a 15k DS in PvP a Lion would have to go all out in AC, making him OHKO material for DL (or Staff).

Although Lions still have the advantage always over Dragons due to quicker cast times and hybrid fox skills. (in b4 dragons are overpowered)
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Old 29 Jan 2008   #33
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Originally Posted by Ameh View Post
How easily? ._. I'm MA/LK (not 1441, but yeah) and I still can't hit 400 LK. So what are the ways? Tell me your secrets nao, Hotaka. ;o



Dark Lords only have access to only two offensive skills. Considering that most of them will want to rely on the 0.8s cast time for Staff of Agony, you'll probably be using that to ohko in PvP. If the enemy is not ohko-able, then it spells trouble.



Only if you don't use a LK shield. xD Which I do, and I also have LK in my staff. O.o I'd be interested to know how much damage Staff can do in PvP with full MA and 480% Dark Attr, because LK isn't that big a deal in PvM. You barely need 100 LK for all seven arrows of AR to connect in PvM.



Wut? Hax? How much LK do you drop when you have all that HP? We really must PvP sometime. >_>



Only for Powers and Charms. ._. A Lion's DS could easily do 15k or more. D< *coughDubercough*
You must relize now that ingame you got to break 200 before breaking the limit upon how much stats you have.
I need to break 200 before I can hit 500 on HV. I belive you are required to beat 200 before you can even get close to 400 LK.

Since when PvP isn't an OHKO war? If you want to OHKO, go make a bunny. Its the perfect class for you to do OHKOs in PvP. So stop whining about it, you dark dragons are strong enough already, and now you even want to OHKO every single class in PvP? SHEESH.

Whats the point of having so much Dark Attribute? 120% is almost enough to OHKO every single class ingame. 480% Dark Attributes are only when you decide that its better to blow the enemy apart, so long that they are not Magic or Sense types.

There are tonnes of equipments out there that have HP compound, you just gotta find it. I'll recomend you to get a Poppuri Pendant while you can, or a GMV. That would make 15K HP way easier without a shield. It's possible, but are you willing to try?

Oh, and BTW. Duber may be powerful, but he's still a glass cannon after all. Unless your LK is lower than him, I don't see why you can't take him down easily.
Not all lions are Dubers. And I personally find Duber not much of a challenge anyway, so stop whining about Duber, give that poor guy a break already ._.
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Old 29 Jan 2008   #34
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Originally Posted by Nyaruato View Post
You must relize now that ingame you got to break 200 before breaking the limit upon how much stats you have.
I need to break 200 before I can hit 500 on HV. I belive you are required to beat 200 before you can even get close to 400 LK.

Since when PvP isn't an OHKO war? If you want to OHKO, go make a bunny. Its the perfect class for you to do OHKOs in PvP. So stop whining about it, you dark dragons are strong enough already, and now you even want to OHKO every single class in PvP? SHEESH.

Whats the point of having so much Dark Attribute? 120% is almost enough to OHKO every single class ingame. 480% Dark Attributes are only when you decide that its better to blow the enemy apart, so long that they are not Magic or Sense types.

There are tonnes of equipments out there that have HP compound, you just gotta find it. I'll recomend you to get a Poppuri Pendant while you can, or a GMV. That would make 15K HP way easier without a shield. It's possible, but are you willing to try?

Oh, and BTW. Duber may be powerful, but he's still a glass cannon after all. Unless your LK is lower than him, I don't see why you can't take him down easily.
Not all lions are Dubers. And I personally find Duber not much of a challenge anyway, so stop whining about Duber, give that poor guy a break already ._.
The only points you made I agree with are the obvious ones.
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Old 29 Jan 2008   #35
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that bunny is cute..~
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If they don't include the dark ring, i would be happy.
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Originally Posted by Kudaranai View Post
that bunny is cute..~
Cute bunny is cute.
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