Is it really Ntreev's(USA) fault?

Blue · 11 Apr 2008

So um, I just had a *thought*

Isn't kTOR responsible for this whole MyShop idea? So everything they make comes to us

So why are we really attacking Ntreev(USA)? I don't think its their fault because if they were to make the game MyShop-less, wouldn't they be breaking the rules?

I don't know

Discuss

Jpenn · 11 Apr 2008

I don't think its really the whole myshop thing people are mad at.
its the way nTreev is pushing their product around, sort of like the annoying vacuum salesman that comes around every other day :/

Alphabet · 11 Apr 2008

Ntreev responsible for the fail amount of shops that sell ultimate game card that some people can choose from =]

11 Apr 2008

who ever is selling the license to ntreevUSA is basically telling them what updates they put in
ntreevUSA has very minimal input into what updates to get put in(aside from translations)

Frosty · 12 Apr 2008

ntreevUSA is a sister company of ntreev soft(Korea). so they get told what to put in patches but the marketing side is prolly by ntreevUSA.

graymatter · 12 Apr 2008

yea... some myshop items in eTO are freely given at kTO

TogSawks · 12 Apr 2008

we tend to blame those who we can communicate with? No point complaining to the Ntreev(kr) if they can't understand?

Kadro · 12 Apr 2008

No its not, but they could do something about it. IE make a myshop free area ... ._.

Tiane · 12 Apr 2008

Originally Posted by Jpenn

I don't think its really the whole myshop thing people are mad at.
its the way nTreev is pushing their product around, sort of like the annoying vacuum salesman that comes around every other day :/

QFT

And as for kowiz's response, I'll believe that when I see some proof. They've added the robo and nyxx/noxx gears at their own discretion, I believe they're fully choosing how to deploy their game.

Vith · 12 Apr 2008

No, Ntreev USA is not able to control what content is being added into the game. They have very little say, if any at all about what's going to be released next.

Originally Posted by Tiane

They've added the robo and nyxx/noxx gears at their own discretion, I believe they're fully choosing how to deploy their game.

No they didn't, it was the Korean company that decided for them to add the items. Ntreev USA does not own the rights to this game, they are just merely "hosting" it, if you will.

Tiane · 12 Apr 2008

Originally Posted by Vith

No, Ntreev USA is not able to control what content is being added into the game. They have very little say, if any at all about what's going to be released next.

No they didn't, it was the Korean company that decided for them to add the items. Ntreev USA does not own the rights to this game, they are just merely "hosting" it, if you will.

At the very least they could provide a bit more customer service then and explain the situation to us as well as provide us with some insight to the people there so we at least know they're human. Seriously what major gaming companies don't ever let you get interviews or at least a look at the staff? Look at bungie, they did and still do a great job keeping up with "updates" on weekly happenings at the office. Humanizing the staff there might help their cause a little at least. Right now no one really gives a damn about what the ntreevUSA staff has to say about anything, and wont until they can give the public some faces for us to realize that they are still people behind all this nonsense.

KiddyKiddy · 12 Apr 2008

not sure really

Frosty · 12 Apr 2008

@ Tiane
first of all bungie is a developer (big company) and ntreevUSA (very small company) is just a SISTER company so its like a subsidiary/branch in USA. ntreev soft is the parent company so ultimately they make all the important decision for ntreevUSA to follow. altho ntreevUSA WOULD have some control over some decision because Korea and US is a different market but at the end ntreev soft will decide what they do.

Medoria · 12 Apr 2008

Originally Posted by Kowiz

who ever is selling the license to ntreevUSA is basically telling them what updates they put in
ntreevUSA has very minimal input into what updates to get put in(aside from translations)

thanks at least someone understands a bit about the difference between publisher, developer and licensed provider...

Ntreev USA has most likely very little to no say in how the game is updated/provided/which things are myshop, etc. Everything has to go through the parent Ntreev- and it's in their best interest to keep the global TO non-competitive (ie. not as far up to date) as the kTO as they don't want to become their own competition.

As for the lack of responses to 1:1 they have no excuse other than they only have 14 people and prolly given the fact that they are now dealing with GC as well simply do not have the manpower needed to answer things. Not a good excuse mind you, if you have the service you should be doing your damnedest to provide it... but still an excuse none-the-less.

I frankly don't blame them one bit- sure in an ideal world ntreev (parent or sister) company would strive towards providing the best game and that would be most important but this isn't an ideal world, we run off cash and when they can put in minimal effort and still get enough cash to pull a profit, why not? This is how the invisible hand of our economy works... when there is no competition in the field that does it better (which really there is little since most mmos jump from TO level to hardcore gamer level + non-micropayment) there is no incentive to strive to be any better cause there is no competition stealing your business... and while arguably one might say that it could eventually balance due to diminishing returns, it seems rather unlikely to do that in any timely fashion since they have a vast supply of new teens/children looking for casual (and "free") games so even though their turnover rate is high it doesn't matter much....

ehh.. economics

I blame the parent company. Make a better game dammit.

Frosty · 12 Apr 2008

Originally Posted by Medoria

when there is no competition in the field that does it better (which really there is little since most mmos jump from TO level to hardcore gamer level + non-micropayment) there is no incentive to strive to be any better cause there is no competition stealing your business... and while arguably one might say that it could eventually balance due to diminishing returns, it seems rather unlikely to do that in any timely fashion since they have a vast supply of new teens/children looking for casual (and "free") games so even though their turnover rate is high it doesn't matter much....

i think we should regard the competition aspect of MMO as a perfectly competitive market. every MMO will have goods and bads which make ppl choose what they should play. but overall MMO have a pretty short life as people will move on in time (i would think a 5 year max life). thats y i think they are constantly rolling out myshop and in the LONG run releasing content in order to keep the life cycle longer.

and also about the employees of ntreevUSA also is a factor of diminishing returns as they will want to keep cost low. maybe 14 is their optimal lvl but since they they now have 2 games they might need more.

i have been susing out ntreev as a company and found they are actual hiring top psoition.
http://www.radiokorea.com/community/...anted_man&spy=
lol marketing position. now we know who we should kill for emptying our wallets!
http://www.radiokorea.com/community/...anted_man&spy=

Tiitha · 12 Apr 2008

I'm sure all the surplus money Ntreev USA makes goes directly towards Ntreev Korea. Live updates cost money.